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People want an algorithm for how to moderate speech. But there's no such thing. You just need people with good judgement and it's hard to define what good judge

by slibhb 4y ago

People want an algorithm for how to moderate speech. But there's no such thing. You just need people with good judgement and it's hard to define what good judgement is. HN has it. Previous twitter did not have good judgement. It had a left-bias and banned people for saying things like "there are two genders" and "men aren't women tho". It also banned various accounts for jokes (prominently Babylon Bee, a right-wing The Onion). It remains to be seen if Elon will do better or worse. I think he'll do better because he has a sense of humor. But he's also a bit obnoxious so we'll see.

beambot 4y ago
> HN has it. @dang is the GOAT.
tstrimple 4y ago
> It had a left-bias I don't know what it will take for this lie to die. It has absolutely zero supporting evidence. The data suggests just the opposite. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtube-twitter-anti-conservative-claims-baseless-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtu... > "There is no evidence to support the claim that the major social media companies are suppressing, censoring or otherwise discriminating against conservatives on their platforms,” Barrett said. “In fact, it is often conservatives who gain the most in terms of engagement and online attention, thanks to the platforms’ systems of algorithmic promotion of content."
- slibhb 4y ago
  "Left-bias" is putting it mildly. It's becoming increasingly clear that twitter censored certain people/content at the behest of the Biden administration.
  - tstrimple 4y ago
    Show the evidence then. Because the Twitter files confirmed the opposite. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598833927405215744 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598833927405215744
- SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
  The data suggests no such thing. As the report underlying this article describes (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b6df958f8370af3217d4178/t/6011e68dec2c7013d3caf3cb/1611785871154/NYU+False+Accusation+report_FINAL.pdf https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b6df958f8370af3217d4...), there's no high-quality data available on question of whether conservative views are disproportionately censored. The data shows that conservative accounts don't have systematically suppressed engagement, but that's fully compatible with the idea that there might be some views those accounts know they aren't allowed to talk about. At the end the report calls for Twitter to be more transparent in their moderation decisions, precisely because the lack of transparency makes it hard to figure out answers to this kind of question.

by slibhb 4y ago

beambot 4y ago

> HN has it. @dang is the GOAT.

tstrimple 4y ago

> It had a left-bias I don't know what it will take for this lie to die. It has absolutely zero supporting evidence. The data suggests just the opposite. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtube-twitter-anti-conservative-claims-baseless-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtu... > "There is no evidence to support the claim that the major social media companies are suppressing, censoring or otherwise discriminating against conservatives on their platforms,” Barrett said. “In fact, it is often conservatives who gain the most in terms of engagement and online attention, thanks to the platforms’ systems of algorithmic promotion of content."

slibhb 4y ago
"Left-bias" is putting it mildly. It's becoming increasingly clear that twitter censored certain people/content at the behest of the Biden administration.
- tstrimple 4y ago
  Show the evidence then. Because the Twitter files confirmed the opposite. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598833927405215744 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598833927405215744
SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
The data suggests no such thing. As the report underlying this article describes (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b6df958f8370af3217d4178/t/6011e68dec2c7013d3caf3cb/1611785871154/NYU+False+Accusation+report_FINAL.pdf https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b6df958f8370af3217d4...), there's no high-quality data available on question of whether conservative views are disproportionately censored. The data shows that conservative accounts don't have systematically suppressed engagement, but that's fully compatible with the idea that there might be some views those accounts know they aren't allowed to talk about. At the end the report calls for Twitter to be more transparent in their moderation decisions, precisely because the lack of transparency makes it hard to figure out answers to this kind of question.