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I stand corrected. And agree that EU's regulation would also benefit from taking a more holistic view on pollution than my (erroneous) zealotting on CO2 alone.

crote 4y ago
That's already the case, actually! A lot of the European waters have had quite strict limitations on the fuel's NOx and SOx contents for over 15 years already - and shipping was pretty much the last remaining industry allowed to use such high-pollutant fuel.
- bombcar 4y ago
  European waters - the ships burn the nasty shit in international waters and switch to clean fuel when approaching the countries. There needs to be some way to get them to burn the clean fuel all the time - perhaps by climate concerned nations removing naval protection from boats that aren't burning clean.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
Global agreements have already been made to phase out the particulates globally and, before that in European areas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_control_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_control_area > Emission control areas (ECAs), or sulfur emission control areas (SECAs), are sea areas in which stricter controls were established to minimize airborne emissions from ships as defined by Annex VI[1] of the 1997 MARPOL Protocol. > The emissions specifically include SOx, NOx, ODSs and VOCs[2] and the regulations came into effect in May 2005.[3][4] Annex VI contains provisions for two sets of emission and fuel quality requirements regarding SOx and PM, or NOx, a global requirement and more stringent controls in special emission control areas (ECA).[5] The regulations stems from concerns about "local and global air pollution and environmental problems" in regard to the shipping industry's contribution. In January 2020, a revised more stringent Annex VI was enforced in the emission control areas with significantly lowered emission limits.[2] The original factoid hit the headlines because all that work was done and so people had the data to do comparisions. It was slow but steady work to improve the environment and somehow it got turned into "environmentalists are stupid, EVs are stupid, anyone to the left of Kanye is stupid, if they really believed in climate change they'd do X". https://www.imo.org/en/OurWork/Environment/Pages/Sulphur-oxides-(SOx)-%E2%80%93-Regulation-14.aspx https://www.imo.org/en/OurWork/Environment/Pages/Sulphur-oxi...

crote 4y ago

That's already the case, actually! A lot of the European waters have had quite strict limitations on the fuel's NOx and SOx contents for over 15 years already - and shipping was pretty much the last remaining industry allowed to use such high-pollutant fuel.

bombcar 4y ago
European waters - the ships burn the nasty shit in international waters and switch to clean fuel when approaching the countries. There needs to be some way to get them to burn the clean fuel all the time - perhaps by climate concerned nations removing naval protection from boats that aren't burning clean.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

Global agreements have already been made to phase out the particulates globally and, before that in European areas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_control_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_control_area > Emission control areas (ECAs), or sulfur emission control areas (SECAs), are sea areas in which stricter controls were established to minimize airborne emissions from ships as defined by Annex VI[1] of the 1997 MARPOL Protocol. > The emissions specifically include SOx, NOx, ODSs and VOCs[2] and the regulations came into effect in May 2005.[3][4] Annex VI contains provisions for two sets of emission and fuel quality requirements regarding SOx and PM, or NOx, a global requirement and more stringent controls in special emission control areas (ECA).[5] The regulations stems from concerns about "local and global air pollution and environmental problems" in regard to the shipping industry's contribution. In January 2020, a revised more stringent Annex VI was enforced in the emission control areas with significantly lowered emission limits.[2] The original factoid hit the headlines because all that work was done and so people had the data to do comparisions. It was slow but steady work to improve the environment and somehow it got turned into "environmentalists are stupid, EVs are stupid, anyone to the left of Kanye is stupid, if they really believed in climate change they'd do X". https://www.imo.org/en/OurWork/Environment/Pages/Sulphur-oxides-(SOx)-%E2%80%93-Regulation-14.aspx https://www.imo.org/en/OurWork/Environment/Pages/Sulphur-oxi...