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> And who’s to blame Left-wing policies enacted by left-wing city governments.

by nickpp 4y ago

piva00 4y ago
Not sure if I'd call a government that isn't expanding housing in a very constrained housing market a left-wing government. It might have traces of progressivism in some social areas, even to a fault as I'm reading from these SF's reports on crime, but calling a government that sides with the current rich/millionaire houseowners left-wing is quite disingenuous. Maybe that's my foreign view as I don't see any political stance in the USA as left-leaning, some Democrats are, at most, left-adjacent in some social policies.
- nickpp 4y ago
  Failing to understand Supply and Demand law of basic economics is a defining characteristics for left-wing politicians. Protecting their turfs and their own is quite common across both sides of the spectrum.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    They may understand it. It's just inconvenient so its downplayed.
  - starkd 4y ago
    They understand it, but they actively work to undermine it by engineering the human race.
- starkd 4y ago
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  - piva00 4y ago
    This is the second time this week that a comment I made regarding anything to do with a passing mention of left-wing politics gets a reply like this. I didn't state at any point anything about communism, I didn't say anywhere I'm a supporter of "Communism™". Stop chasing ghosts and stop being a fucking bore, you are shoving your words in my mouth and I thoroughly dislike that, it's intellectually disrespectful. This is a fucking dumb comment with no substance and not addressing anything of what I mentioned in my comment. It's so fucking dumb and tiring to get your kind of knee-jerk red-scare reaction from people like you. To be extremely clear: I don't support Communism, please point exactly where you believe your comment has anything to do with what I've written there or just shut up, what a fucking bore to keep getting to read this bullshit.
    - starkd 4y ago
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    - joenot443 4y ago
      > Stop chasing ghosts and stop being a fucking bore, Take a break from HN, man. This kind of meltdown isn't a good look for anyone, even if you're right.
      - nkozyra 4y ago
        Someone actually wrote "communism works ... in theory" without a hint of irony. I don't think it was a meltdown but one might be justified.
      - piva00 4y ago
        When you get the same kind of stupid reply on HN as you see in stupider places of the internet, a place where you come for almost a decade to have some in-depth discussion, it grates on you. Everywhere else on the internet is like this shit, it starting to be more prevalent here is definitely affecting me as I'll have to stick to my own in-person social circle to have some kind of discussion that doesn't devolve into this bullshit. And then I lose access to a plethora of other points of view where those try to at least have some reasonable argumentation. It's exhausting if you cherished a place for good discussions, yeah, I'm just tired but not really a meltdown, just tired of trying to be somewhat reasonable replying to this bullshit, it's a dumbification of discourse that is hard to stand. As an example: > They understand it, but they actively work to undermine it by engineering the human race. This is just fucking dumb to read. Edit: but I believe you're right, time to take a long break from HN.
- joenot443 4y ago
  Whether or not you agree with their classification, I'd posit nearly any seated SF politician self-categorizes as "left-leaning." Pretending this isn't the case is what's disingenuous, most Americans I've met don't really care how their politicians compare to ones across the pond, and why should they?. Saying they're not left-wing enough when compared to foreign politicians doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
radiorental 4y ago
the same left wing government that allows police to use lethal robots? That's doing little to nothing to address homelessness, income discrepancy & the housing crisis? The one that is beholden to big tech? That one? 'left wing policies' are typically social safety nets (healthcare, housing etc). You're describing failed government, left or right.
- nickpp 4y ago
  San Francisco sunk huge piles of money in "solving" the housing crisis. Without allowing people to actually build, of course. It also has driven out big tech with with idiotic policies and taxes. Remember the anti-Uber law? The Twitter tax?
  - dustinblake 4y ago
    I agree that San Francisco has idiotic zoning and an overactive planning department that caters to the whims of NIMBYs. And there's plenty of big tech still here, more than enough, really. Idiotic policies, sure, sometimes, however, the taxes are probably still too low. But no, actually, I don't remember the anti-Uber law. nor the Twitter tax. It's amusing that you'd cite two made up things to support your case. Are you referring to the Prop 22 that Uber, Lyft, Door Dash, and Instacart spent $224 million to enshrine their mistreatment of workers into the California Constitution? (kinda crazy that they couldn't just use that money to pay the workers better, huh?) But I'm not sure if a law could really be anti-Uber as their whole strategy was just to flout the law, screw regulations, and blast through billions while playing a game of chicken with Lyft. And maybe you weren't here at the time, but it was the Twitter Tax Break. That's what started the whole mess anyway, puppet Mayor Ed Lee wanting to kiss Ron Conway's ass.
    - nickpp 4y ago
      Oh no, I was referring to AB5, the law a politician (Lorena Gonzalez) owned by a huge multinational syndicate (Teamsters) pushed through so that even gig workers could be pressured to join the union and pay the fees. A law so incredibly inept that had to be amended to exclude any other part-time employees, from musicians and designers to writers and journalists, remaining in the end what was clearly from the beginning: an anti-high-tech law. A law so evil no actual gig worker supported (voting Prop 22 instead) because it obviously gave them less options and money and more paperwork. But a huge cash grab for the state and the unions who could tax and control yet another avenue left us to make some money. Because nothing annoys leftists more than independent people, people who just want to be left alone to work and live and don't need them and their f-ing "favors". And finally, I was in SF before Twitter even existed. But I left, a long time ago, seeing clearly where thing were heading. And it looks I was quite right... what a mess.

> And who’s to blame Left-wing policies enacted by left-wing city governments.

by nickpp 4y ago

> And who’s to blame Left-wing policies enacted by left-wing city governments.

Not sure if I'd call a government that isn't expanding housing in a very constrained housing market a left-wing government. It might have traces of progressivism in some social areas, even to a fault as I'm reading from these SF's reports on crime, but calling a government that sides with the current rich/millionaire houseowners left-wing is quite disingenuous. Maybe that's my foreign view as I don't see any political stance in the USA as left-leaning, some Democrats are, at most, left-adjacent in some social policies.

nickpp 4y ago
Failing to understand Supply and Demand law of basic economics is a defining characteristics for left-wing politicians. Protecting their turfs and their own is quite common across both sides of the spectrum.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  They may understand it. It's just inconvenient so its downplayed.
- starkd 4y ago
  They understand it, but they actively work to undermine it by engineering the human race.
starkd 4y ago
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- piva00 4y ago
  This is the second time this week that a comment I made regarding anything to do with a passing mention of left-wing politics gets a reply like this. I didn't state at any point anything about communism, I didn't say anywhere I'm a supporter of "Communism™". Stop chasing ghosts and stop being a fucking bore, you are shoving your words in my mouth and I thoroughly dislike that, it's intellectually disrespectful. This is a fucking dumb comment with no substance and not addressing anything of what I mentioned in my comment. It's so fucking dumb and tiring to get your kind of knee-jerk red-scare reaction from people like you. To be extremely clear: I don't support Communism, please point exactly where you believe your comment has anything to do with what I've written there or just shut up, what a fucking bore to keep getting to read this bullshit.
  - starkd 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - joenot443 4y ago
    > Stop chasing ghosts and stop being a fucking bore, Take a break from HN, man. This kind of meltdown isn't a good look for anyone, even if you're right.
    - nkozyra 4y ago
      Someone actually wrote "communism works ... in theory" without a hint of irony. I don't think it was a meltdown but one might be justified.
    - piva00 4y ago
      When you get the same kind of stupid reply on HN as you see in stupider places of the internet, a place where you come for almost a decade to have some in-depth discussion, it grates on you. Everywhere else on the internet is like this shit, it starting to be more prevalent here is definitely affecting me as I'll have to stick to my own in-person social circle to have some kind of discussion that doesn't devolve into this bullshit. And then I lose access to a plethora of other points of view where those try to at least have some reasonable argumentation. It's exhausting if you cherished a place for good discussions, yeah, I'm just tired but not really a meltdown, just tired of trying to be somewhat reasonable replying to this bullshit, it's a dumbification of discourse that is hard to stand. As an example: > They understand it, but they actively work to undermine it by engineering the human race. This is just fucking dumb to read. Edit: but I believe you're right, time to take a long break from HN.
joenot443 4y ago
Whether or not you agree with their classification, I'd posit nearly any seated SF politician self-categorizes as "left-leaning." Pretending this isn't the case is what's disingenuous, most Americans I've met don't really care how their politicians compare to ones across the pond, and why should they?. Saying they're not left-wing enough when compared to foreign politicians doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

radiorental 4y ago

the same left wing government that allows police to use lethal robots? That's doing little to nothing to address homelessness, income discrepancy & the housing crisis? The one that is beholden to big tech? That one? 'left wing policies' are typically social safety nets (healthcare, housing etc). You're describing failed government, left or right.

nickpp 4y ago
San Francisco sunk huge piles of money in "solving" the housing crisis. Without allowing people to actually build, of course. It also has driven out big tech with with idiotic policies and taxes. Remember the anti-Uber law? The Twitter tax?
- dustinblake 4y ago
  I agree that San Francisco has idiotic zoning and an overactive planning department that caters to the whims of NIMBYs. And there's plenty of big tech still here, more than enough, really. Idiotic policies, sure, sometimes, however, the taxes are probably still too low. But no, actually, I don't remember the anti-Uber law. nor the Twitter tax. It's amusing that you'd cite two made up things to support your case. Are you referring to the Prop 22 that Uber, Lyft, Door Dash, and Instacart spent $224 million to enshrine their mistreatment of workers into the California Constitution? (kinda crazy that they couldn't just use that money to pay the workers better, huh?) But I'm not sure if a law could really be anti-Uber as their whole strategy was just to flout the law, screw regulations, and blast through billions while playing a game of chicken with Lyft. And maybe you weren't here at the time, but it was the Twitter Tax Break. That's what started the whole mess anyway, puppet Mayor Ed Lee wanting to kiss Ron Conway's ass.
  - nickpp 4y ago
    Oh no, I was referring to AB5, the law a politician (Lorena Gonzalez) owned by a huge multinational syndicate (Teamsters) pushed through so that even gig workers could be pressured to join the union and pay the fees. A law so incredibly inept that had to be amended to exclude any other part-time employees, from musicians and designers to writers and journalists, remaining in the end what was clearly from the beginning: an anti-high-tech law. A law so evil no actual gig worker supported (voting Prop 22 instead) because it obviously gave them less options and money and more paperwork. But a huge cash grab for the state and the unions who could tax and control yet another avenue left us to make some money. Because nothing annoys leftists more than independent people, people who just want to be left alone to work and live and don't need them and their f-ing "favors". And finally, I was in SF before Twitter even existed. But I left, a long time ago, seeing clearly where thing were heading. And it looks I was quite right... what a mess.