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I hate that ads are now seen as a necessary evil for funding free access to services. The money still comes from you, just through the purchase of products. Wh

I hate that ads are now seen as a necessary evil for funding free access to services. The money still comes from you, just through the purchase of products. What's worse, if you pay for YouTube Premium or Kagi, you're effectively paying for your content twice. No wonder, poorer people can't afford that. I guess you could frame it like this: "Company are overcharging us by insane amounts anyways, so at least some of that money goes back into something useful through ads."

pempem 4y ago
Its more pernicious imho. "Let us pay for this service by serving you ads which undermine your comprehension of what you actually need and cause you to constantly have an investigative part of your mind on, or mindlessly consume." Its truly more than walletshare and tremendously mentally taxing or can destroy your financial wellbeing if unchecked.
- heresie-dabord 4y ago
  At this point, I feel you are understating the perniciousness. "We will expose you to advertising and claim for a time to conduct ethical oversight, but when the revenue is large enough, forcing the advertising on you will become our primary business. We will enable the surveillance economy and take money from any source however dubious."
awillen 4y ago
You're not forced to buy any products, though. And in this case they specifically allow you to pay $3/month and not have ads. I'd wager virtually no one will take that option, though, since folks tend to be very vocally opposed to ads until it's time to pay instead.
s3p 4y ago
>What's worse, if you pay for YouTube Premium or Kagi, you're effectively paying for your content twice. No wonder, poorer people can't afford that. How is this true with YT premium? There are no ads if you pay.
- dcow 4y ago
  Or with Kagi?
- perryizgr8 4y ago
  > There are no ads if you pay. That's not true. Almost all high quality channels on Youtube have some sort of sponsorship inside the video. It doesn't go away even if you pay for Youtube red.
  - hollerith 4y ago
    "Almost all" is not my experience.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Isn't there a browser extension that attempts to skip these?
    - perryizgr8 4y ago
      There is, I use it. But then why would I pay for YouTube red? I'd rather donate to the extension dev.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  Only if you use SponsorBlock. Something something LTTStore.com (okay I've actually bought mech from them, but it's like 3x per episode plus the hardware sponsor segment).
- SebastianKra 4y ago
  To clarify: When you pay to remove ads, you're still paying indirectly for the production and delivery of ads. Just because you didn't see an advertisement from Apple doesn't mean you're not going to buy from them. So you now pay the cost of producing and delivering ads _as well as_ a premium so that you won't have to see them. It's like paying for the construction of a guillotine and then pay to not have to stick your head in it. Of course this is a simplified view: Not all companies benefit equally from advertising. Not all companies spend equally on ads, etc...
Melatonic 4y ago
Not sure I get the Kagi part ?
slenk 4y ago
Wait - I pay for YT Premium and see ZERO ads on YouYube. How exactly am I paying for my content twice?
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  Why not adblocking for free?

pempem 4y ago

Its more pernicious imho. "Let us pay for this service by serving you ads which undermine your comprehension of what you actually need and cause you to constantly have an investigative part of your mind on, or mindlessly consume." Its truly more than walletshare and tremendously mentally taxing or can destroy your financial wellbeing if unchecked.

heresie-dabord 4y ago
At this point, I feel you are understating the perniciousness. "We will expose you to advertising and claim for a time to conduct ethical oversight, but when the revenue is large enough, forcing the advertising on you will become our primary business. We will enable the surveillance economy and take money from any source however dubious."

awillen 4y ago

You're not forced to buy any products, though. And in this case they specifically allow you to pay $3/month and not have ads. I'd wager virtually no one will take that option, though, since folks tend to be very vocally opposed to ads until it's time to pay instead.

s3p 4y ago

>What's worse, if you pay for YouTube Premium or Kagi, you're effectively paying for your content twice. No wonder, poorer people can't afford that. How is this true with YT premium? There are no ads if you pay.

dcow 4y ago
Or with Kagi?
perryizgr8 4y ago
> There are no ads if you pay. That's not true. Almost all high quality channels on Youtube have some sort of sponsorship inside the video. It doesn't go away even if you pay for Youtube red.
- hollerith 4y ago
  "Almost all" is not my experience.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Isn't there a browser extension that attempts to skip these?
  - perryizgr8 4y ago
    There is, I use it. But then why would I pay for YouTube red? I'd rather donate to the extension dev.
squeaky-clean 4y ago
Only if you use SponsorBlock. Something something LTTStore.com (okay I've actually bought mech from them, but it's like 3x per episode plus the hardware sponsor segment).
SebastianKra 4y ago
To clarify: When you pay to remove ads, you're still paying indirectly for the production and delivery of ads. Just because you didn't see an advertisement from Apple doesn't mean you're not going to buy from them. So you now pay the cost of producing and delivering ads _as well as_ a premium so that you won't have to see them. It's like paying for the construction of a guillotine and then pay to not have to stick your head in it. Of course this is a simplified view: Not all companies benefit equally from advertising. Not all companies spend equally on ads, etc...

Melatonic 4y ago

Not sure I get the Kagi part ?

slenk 4y ago

Wait - I pay for YT Premium and see ZERO ads on YouYube. How exactly am I paying for my content twice?

t0bia_s 4y ago
Why not adblocking for free?