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Rinse aid and detergent both have the same active, harmful ingredient: sulfates aka AES aka surfactants. The difference is that detergent gets rinsed off, while

Rinse aid and detergent both have the same active, harmful ingredient: sulfates aka AES aka surfactants. The difference is that detergent gets rinsed off, while rinse aid IS the rinse (vs plain non-aided water).

pfdietz 4y ago
It's not sulfates, it's ethoxylated alcohols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation
- hammock 4y ago
  It's both, and they work the same way on the gut
  - pfdietz 4y ago
    That may be true, but your assertion that rinse aids have sulfates is incorrect. All the ones I've looked at have nonionic surfactants that are not sulfates. (There are also sulfates that are aren't AES, such as sodium sulfate, which appears in many powdered dishwasher detergents. I doubt this has the same effect, so it's incorrect to just blame "sulfates".) I think you need to learn the gloriously liberating feeling of admitting you were wrong.
kragen 4y ago
many surfactants are not sulfates many sulfates are not surfactants none of the numerous meanings in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES are in any way related to surfactants or sulfates many sulfates and surfactants are not 'harmful' as generally understood (though there's probably a lethal dose of any of them) why are you posting this misinformation here
- hammock 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation#Alcohol_ethoxysulfates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation#Alcohol_ethoxysul...
  - kragen 4y ago
    while it is nice that you have cleared up what you meant by 'aes' (a third category which excludes not only most sulfates and most surfactants but even the most common surfactant that is also a sulfate, sds) you have not answered my question why are you posting this egregious misinformation here
Melatonic 4y ago
Interestingly enough there was ANOTHER study where they looked at safety of plastic bottles. And then they discovered that plastic bottles absorbed WAY more detergent in the dishwasher than glass or metal and whatnot. This was not even the original intention of their study. So basically do not dishwash plastic stuff.

pfdietz 4y ago

It's not sulfates, it's ethoxylated alcohols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation

hammock 4y ago
It's both, and they work the same way on the gut
- pfdietz 4y ago
  That may be true, but your assertion that rinse aids have sulfates is incorrect. All the ones I've looked at have nonionic surfactants that are not sulfates. (There are also sulfates that are aren't AES, such as sodium sulfate, which appears in many powdered dishwasher detergents. I doubt this has the same effect, so it's incorrect to just blame "sulfates".) I think you need to learn the gloriously liberating feeling of admitting you were wrong.

kragen 4y ago

many surfactants are not sulfates many sulfates are not surfactants none of the numerous meanings in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES are in any way related to surfactants or sulfates many sulfates and surfactants are not 'harmful' as generally understood (though there's probably a lethal dose of any of them) why are you posting this misinformation here

hammock 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation#Alcohol_ethoxysulfates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation#Alcohol_ethoxysul...
- kragen 4y ago
  while it is nice that you have cleared up what you meant by 'aes' (a third category which excludes not only most sulfates and most surfactants but even the most common surfactant that is also a sulfate, sds) you have not answered my question why are you posting this egregious misinformation here

Melatonic 4y ago

Interestingly enough there was ANOTHER study where they looked at safety of plastic bottles. And then they discovered that plastic bottles absorbed WAY more detergent in the dishwasher than glass or metal and whatnot. This was not even the original intention of their study. So basically do not dishwash plastic stuff.