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Don't want to start a fight, but honestly, I only ever hear those types of arguments from people who don't use Apple hardware. People who do, in large majority

Don't want to start a fight, but honestly, I only ever hear those types of arguments from people who don't use Apple hardware. People who do, in large majority, do it for two reasons: - build quality; - it mostly just works.

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>- build quality This is part of the marketing delusion, multiple people have done A/B testing to clearly show Apple Build Quality is either on par with the rest of the industry or in many specific examples WORSE, people that claim this often have ZERO experience with non-apple products or are comparing different classes like a budget consumer level Lenovo to the pro line of apple, of course of $500 unit will be of less quality than a $2500 unit For an example of poor build quality / engineering Check out Louis Rossmans' "Think Different" video where he outlines some of the various engineering problems Apple has had >>- it mostly just works. I see the often repeated, I have had android phone for decades and never had any issue with them, they just work as well. I am not sure what is "not working" on an Android, I can also say i have never had an Android phone that I had to hold "correctly" in order for the antenna to work... Again I think this stems from comparing different classes of phone, Apple only makes Mid to High eng phones, (which is the market I am in for Android devices I tend to buy the Flagship from the manufacturer) they do not make budget and entry phone, these low end phones will have more problem. Would it be better to just price out entire segments of the population? That does not seem to be socially moral
- GrinningFool 4y ago
  > I can also say i have never had an Android phone that I had to hold "correctly" in order for the antenna to work... It feels like you're trying to revive decade-old flamewars here. FWIW, on my Pixel 5 (and 2 before that), if I reverse my phone (hold normally but with camera at bottom) I get a drop in both cellular and wifi signal strength - more so if I'm in a location with marginal signal to begin with.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Steve jobs: you are holding it wrong.
    - baxtr 4y ago
      I upload anything with Steve Jobs. So: Here you go!
      - jacooper 4y ago
        upvote*
        baxtr 4y ago
        That too.
- mirthflat83 4y ago
  What a passionate comment about Apple. I guess some people are just this invested in Apple enough to write book-long comments on every single thread even tangentially related to Apple.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Nobody would need to write it if Apple didn't spend $XX billion on misleading marketing every year.
- JamesonNetworks 4y ago
  I will assume I’m not going to change your mind with my comment, but anecdotally I was a pixel user for years (Nexus 5 (boot loop break) Pixel 2, Pixel 3, tried to order a Pixel 6 but the site didn’t work on launch day) before switching to the iPhone 13. I build applications for both Android and iOS. My wife has been an iPhone user for years. Both iPhones she has owned are still in use by someone in our extended family (iPhone 7, X) My pixel phones did not take high quality videos without crashing and over heating. This iPhone can do 4k 60fps for an hour without a hiccup. The build quality of this phone feels like it came from an alternate reality to me. Pixels in the same price point do not hold up against it on any metric that matters to me (stability, battery life, software reliability, hardware longevity) Again, this is just anecdotally and I try not to be an Apple fanboy, but being the family tech point person, Apple has made my life marginally easier.
- mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
  Your build quality comparison is off, a cheap $500 laptop should be compared to prior years Macbook Air M1 which is $300 more, not $2000 more. A $800 macbook has far better build quality than any $500 Windows laptop, probably better than most $800 laptops. Its Windows that's the issue for me. Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft, I choose Apple because its not MS and it does work vs. tinkering with stuff on Linux. Apple phones are usually behind in whiz-bang features that Samsung and some others have but my opinion is killer features for smart phones are in the rear view mirror by a few years. Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point (i.e. switching and you'd have to buy things again).
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >>Its Windows that's the issue for me. That has nothing to do with build quality >Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft Well at least you admit your bias, as someone that works in enterprise and manages 1000's of windows computers i can say i would never want to attempt that with Apple who does not have the enterprise tooling that MS does before I was in enterprise I felt the same about windows and primarily used Linux, I would never use a Apple which shows my bais... If apple was the last computer on earth I would crush it... >>Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point I agree with that, and that should change, but I value my freedom too much ever to surrender it for Apple's walled garden
    - mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
      Ironic you talk of a walled garden and work in Enterprise IT creating a ... walled garden for your users (enterprise tooling like pre-installed images, not being able to install apps as admin, etc.) because its easier to support. Oh I don't for a second think Apple stuff would ever compete with 1000's of devices being managed from an Enterprise IT department. I lived in that environment for a while and would dual boot to linux, run VirtualBox or get a 2nd PC from IT and wipe it and install linux.
  - macspoofing 4y ago
lightedman 4y ago
"- build quality" When I worked as an Apple laptop repair tech, that was almost nonexistent. 2/3 logic boards shipped in to be used for repairs on customer computers were faulty. "- it mostly just works" Imagine a laptop perpetually-stuck on OSX 10.2.4 that can't ever upgrade or it borks the system - that was my experience dealing with Apple laptops years ago as a repair tech. School system iBooks and PowerBooks were the worst offenders, and Apple had no discerning way to let you know which image belonged on which hardware, so we were always having to reimage laptops in hopes we picked a proper image for them.
smoldesu 4y ago
Build quality, that's a riot. Here's a riddle for you: my $300 Thinkpad and $1,500 Macbook Pro each hit the concrete from waist height. Which laptop can I open up and keep using like nothing happened?
- judge2020 4y ago
  Build quality != resistance to drops. You can have a rugged, impervious laptop that will survive a drop from an airplane onto concrete, but if the keyboard flexes and mushes when you use it, that's not exactly 'good build quality'. Manufacturers optimize for different parts of the UX and it's valid for customers to pick which device they like based on how well the product does in whichever area they care about.

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>- build quality This is part of the marketing delusion, multiple people have done A/B testing to clearly show Apple Build Quality is either on par with the rest of the industry or in many specific examples WORSE, people that claim this often have ZERO experience with non-apple products or are comparing different classes like a budget consumer level Lenovo to the pro line of apple, of course of $500 unit will be of less quality than a $2500 unit For an example of poor build quality / engineering Check out Louis Rossmans' "Think Different" video where he outlines some of the various engineering problems Apple has had >>- it mostly just works. I see the often repeated, I have had android phone for decades and never had any issue with them, they just work as well. I am not sure what is "not working" on an Android, I can also say i have never had an Android phone that I had to hold "correctly" in order for the antenna to work... Again I think this stems from comparing different classes of phone, Apple only makes Mid to High eng phones, (which is the market I am in for Android devices I tend to buy the Flagship from the manufacturer) they do not make budget and entry phone, these low end phones will have more problem. Would it be better to just price out entire segments of the population? That does not seem to be socially moral

GrinningFool 4y ago
> I can also say i have never had an Android phone that I had to hold "correctly" in order for the antenna to work... It feels like you're trying to revive decade-old flamewars here. FWIW, on my Pixel 5 (and 2 before that), if I reverse my phone (hold normally but with camera at bottom) I get a drop in both cellular and wifi signal strength - more so if I'm in a location with marginal signal to begin with.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Steve jobs: you are holding it wrong.
  - baxtr 4y ago
    I upload anything with Steve Jobs. So: Here you go!
    - jacooper 4y ago
      upvote*
      - baxtr 4y ago
        That too.
mirthflat83 4y ago
What a passionate comment about Apple. I guess some people are just this invested in Apple enough to write book-long comments on every single thread even tangentially related to Apple.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Nobody would need to write it if Apple didn't spend $XX billion on misleading marketing every year.
JamesonNetworks 4y ago
I will assume I’m not going to change your mind with my comment, but anecdotally I was a pixel user for years (Nexus 5 (boot loop break) Pixel 2, Pixel 3, tried to order a Pixel 6 but the site didn’t work on launch day) before switching to the iPhone 13. I build applications for both Android and iOS. My wife has been an iPhone user for years. Both iPhones she has owned are still in use by someone in our extended family (iPhone 7, X) My pixel phones did not take high quality videos without crashing and over heating. This iPhone can do 4k 60fps for an hour without a hiccup. The build quality of this phone feels like it came from an alternate reality to me. Pixels in the same price point do not hold up against it on any metric that matters to me (stability, battery life, software reliability, hardware longevity) Again, this is just anecdotally and I try not to be an Apple fanboy, but being the family tech point person, Apple has made my life marginally easier.
mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
Your build quality comparison is off, a cheap $500 laptop should be compared to prior years Macbook Air M1 which is $300 more, not $2000 more. A $800 macbook has far better build quality than any $500 Windows laptop, probably better than most $800 laptops. Its Windows that's the issue for me. Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft, I choose Apple because its not MS and it does work vs. tinkering with stuff on Linux. Apple phones are usually behind in whiz-bang features that Samsung and some others have but my opinion is killer features for smart phones are in the rear view mirror by a few years. Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point (i.e. switching and you'd have to buy things again).
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >>Its Windows that's the issue for me. That has nothing to do with build quality >Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft Well at least you admit your bias, as someone that works in enterprise and manages 1000's of windows computers i can say i would never want to attempt that with Apple who does not have the enterprise tooling that MS does before I was in enterprise I felt the same about windows and primarily used Linux, I would never use a Apple which shows my bais... If apple was the last computer on earth I would crush it... >>Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point I agree with that, and that should change, but I value my freedom too much ever to surrender it for Apple's walled garden
  - mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
    Ironic you talk of a walled garden and work in Enterprise IT creating a ... walled garden for your users (enterprise tooling like pre-installed images, not being able to install apps as admin, etc.) because its easier to support. Oh I don't for a second think Apple stuff would ever compete with 1000's of devices being managed from an Enterprise IT department. I lived in that environment for a while and would dual boot to linux, run VirtualBox or get a 2nd PC from IT and wipe it and install linux.
- macspoofing 4y ago

lightedman 4y ago

"- build quality" When I worked as an Apple laptop repair tech, that was almost nonexistent. 2/3 logic boards shipped in to be used for repairs on customer computers were faulty. "- it mostly just works" Imagine a laptop perpetually-stuck on OSX 10.2.4 that can't ever upgrade or it borks the system - that was my experience dealing with Apple laptops years ago as a repair tech. School system iBooks and PowerBooks were the worst offenders, and Apple had no discerning way to let you know which image belonged on which hardware, so we were always having to reimage laptops in hopes we picked a proper image for them.

smoldesu 4y ago

Build quality, that's a riot. Here's a riddle for you: my $300 Thinkpad and $1,500 Macbook Pro each hit the concrete from waist height. Which laptop can I open up and keep using like nothing happened?

judge2020 4y ago
Build quality != resistance to drops. You can have a rugged, impervious laptop that will survive a drop from an airplane onto concrete, but if the keyboard flexes and mushes when you use it, that's not exactly 'good build quality'. Manufacturers optimize for different parts of the UX and it's valid for customers to pick which device they like based on how well the product does in whichever area they care about.