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The problem isn't a lack of "Response", its a lack of "answers". When someone asks you what is the shared ownership of these two entities, and you tell a story

by ikiris 4y ago

The problem isn't a lack of "Response", its a lack of "answers". When someone asks you what is the shared ownership of these two entities, and you tell a story about your summer in lancaster working in the mail room of one of the entities, it isn't useful or related to the question.

dcow 4y ago
That’s not what happened is it? She directly answered and said they were funded at one point historically by the same investment group, but that relationship had since dissolved. For all we know she had been working incredibly hard to keep the business above board despite financial incentives to be corrupt and unethical individuals willing to pursue them. If you ask most founders of companies who’s on their cap table as an outside person you generally won’t get a strait answer, especially not in a public forum. I take issue with the expectation that answers are required in the first place without some substantial reason why they’re relevant.
- ikiris 4y ago
  Do you understand the content in the thread? Its hard to tell from your repeated assertions that do not match what actually occurred in the thread. It feels like you skimmed, and have some bias attempting to give the benefit of doubt to what you see as the embattled party in some kind of unjust lynching instead of legitimate questions of entire shared corporate officer structures, and clearly shared dev teams [that the representative blatantly attempted to claim was out of line while avoiding the actual part of that evidence that was damning, that the dev somehow had access to the raw source of the library in question that very strongly indicates that it was their library and not the rouge devs'] of a known malware entity and a ROOT level CA. If you are just trying to play devils advocate in what you feel is somehow a mob action instead of what is probably extremely conservative actions by some of the biggest and most legally careful entities in the planet then honestly, I ask why and for what purpose?
  - dcow 4y ago
    I read the whole thing word for word.
- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  "For all we know she had been working incredibly [...]" We no nothing. The whole exercise of the thread was to know something.
  - dcow 4y ago
    https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/5dqLlvAXOgw https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-polic...
    - KingOfCoders 4y ago
      Just more marketing bubble "Apart from our CA work, we also bought an aging email service with a few customers, and invested substantially in developing it into a flagship email security product line compatible with global email security standards including both S/MIME and GPG. Then, over the last few years we added unique features our customers demanded. Today it stands alone as a valuable email service enjoyed by millions around the world as an alternative to other popular web based secure email providers." and unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks "us recently by a biased group of security researchers " Pushing the irrelevant BETA narrative "TrustCor has never released a non-beta, public version of any mobile phone software/version and in fact the only mobile-friendly configuration we support is direct-from-browser mobile access that leverages the popular industry-standard framework for delivering near-app-quality mobile experiences using web browsing on mobile devices. You don’t need any downloaded software to use it whatsoever." (where the still unanswered question is: Where did TrustCor get the source code of the spyware no-one else has?) "Perhaps they are working with the US defense community, [...]" Pushing unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that add nothing to the case and on and on and on the same as before nothing new in that email.

by ikiris 4y ago

dcow 4y ago

That’s not what happened is it? She directly answered and said they were funded at one point historically by the same investment group, but that relationship had since dissolved. For all we know she had been working incredibly hard to keep the business above board despite financial incentives to be corrupt and unethical individuals willing to pursue them. If you ask most founders of companies who’s on their cap table as an outside person you generally won’t get a strait answer, especially not in a public forum. I take issue with the expectation that answers are required in the first place without some substantial reason why they’re relevant.

ikiris 4y ago
Do you understand the content in the thread? Its hard to tell from your repeated assertions that do not match what actually occurred in the thread. It feels like you skimmed, and have some bias attempting to give the benefit of doubt to what you see as the embattled party in some kind of unjust lynching instead of legitimate questions of entire shared corporate officer structures, and clearly shared dev teams [that the representative blatantly attempted to claim was out of line while avoiding the actual part of that evidence that was damning, that the dev somehow had access to the raw source of the library in question that very strongly indicates that it was their library and not the rouge devs'] of a known malware entity and a ROOT level CA. If you are just trying to play devils advocate in what you feel is somehow a mob action instead of what is probably extremely conservative actions by some of the biggest and most legally careful entities in the planet then honestly, I ask why and for what purpose?
- dcow 4y ago
  I read the whole thing word for word.
KingOfCoders 4y ago
"For all we know she had been working incredibly [...]" We no nothing. The whole exercise of the thread was to know something.
- dcow 4y ago
  https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/5dqLlvAXOgw https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-polic...
  - KingOfCoders 4y ago
    Just more marketing bubble "Apart from our CA work, we also bought an aging email service with a few customers, and invested substantially in developing it into a flagship email security product line compatible with global email security standards including both S/MIME and GPG. Then, over the last few years we added unique features our customers demanded. Today it stands alone as a valuable email service enjoyed by millions around the world as an alternative to other popular web based secure email providers." and unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks "us recently by a biased group of security researchers " Pushing the irrelevant BETA narrative "TrustCor has never released a non-beta, public version of any mobile phone software/version and in fact the only mobile-friendly configuration we support is direct-from-browser mobile access that leverages the popular industry-standard framework for delivering near-app-quality mobile experiences using web browsing on mobile devices. You don’t need any downloaded software to use it whatsoever." (where the still unanswered question is: Where did TrustCor get the source code of the spyware no-one else has?) "Perhaps they are working with the US defense community, [...]" Pushing unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that add nothing to the case and on and on and on the same as before nothing new in that email.