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Does the CHIPS act have anything to do with making this happen? It's funny to think that the supply chain gurus at Apple & NVIDIA may be doing the work of geop

Does the CHIPS act have anything to do with making this happen? It's funny to think that the supply chain gurus at Apple & NVIDIA may be doing the work of geopolitics in the service of just defending their bottom line from disruption.

ktta 4y ago
Pretty sure. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4346 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4346
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  There is also the inflation reduction act that is very enticing to European industry giants that are facing hardship or downright insolvency due to their own governments stupid energy sanctions game. In fact NOW suddenly Macron and Scholz find it unfair that the US is snatching these company's. I can't say I have much sympathy for Europe. Well played US. I wonder to what extent you can get subsidies from both acts. I assume it shouldn't be a problem.
  - midasz 4y ago
    I don't think Europe has much of a choice. It's either sanctioning Russia and suffering ourselves, or allowing Ukraine to be taken with the horrors that come with that. If it would end there, maybe but still no, but it won't end there. Who is next on Russia's list?
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      >> don't think Europe has much of a choice. The choice was made decades ago on the alter of faux environmentalism to export the environmental cost of energy production to another nation so the EU could claim moral superiority in the climate change battle. Completely decimating domestic energy sources.
      - midasz 4y ago
        No one gave a hoot about climate change decades ago. Russian gas is cheap. That's it. No idea what you're on about.
        phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>No one gave a hoot about climate change decades ago Well that is simply false.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    > due to their own governments stupid energy sanctions game Having morals and accepting hardship for standing up for them is not stupid. It's a principled stance most Europeans agree with. Governments need to step in and help whenever needed (with price caps for consumers, advantageous loans to businesses) to smooth it out, but it was that or appeasement, and we all know very well it doesn't work.
  - Slartie 4y ago
    > due to their own governments stupid energy sanctions game As if the US would have just kept buying 40% of its imported gas from Russia, were the roles reversed.
totalZero 4y ago
Apple spent something like a half-trillion on share buybacks. They could have averted this crisis a decade ago by thinking strategically. They didn't. Why give them credit where little or no credit is due?
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  - d3ckard 4y ago
    Don't want to start a fight, but honestly, I only ever hear those types of arguments from people who don't use Apple hardware. People who do, in large majority, do it for two reasons: - build quality; - it mostly just works.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      >>- build quality This is part of the marketing delusion, multiple people have done A/B testing to clearly show Apple Build Quality is either on par with the rest of the industry or in many specific examples WORSE, people that claim this often have ZERO experience with non-apple products or are comparing different classes like a budget consumer level Lenovo to the pro line of apple, of course of $500 unit will be of less quality than a $2500 unit For an example of poor build quality / engineering Check out Louis Rossmans' "Think Different" video where he outlines some of the various engineering problems Apple has had >>- it mostly just works. I see the often repeated, I have had android phone for decades and never had any issue with them, they just work as well. I am not sure what is "not working" on an Android, I can also say i have never had an Android phone that I had to hold "correctly" in order for the antenna to work... Again I think this stems from comparing different classes of phone, Apple only makes Mid to High eng phones, (which is the market I am in for Android devices I tend to buy the Flagship from the manufacturer) they do not make budget and entry phone, these low end phones will have more problem. Would it be better to just price out entire segments of the population? That does not seem to be socially moral
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deelowe 4y ago
Things were already heading that direction before the CHIPS act. The geopolitical issues with China have been a major concern for a while now. Not to mention the general business continuity concerns with everything coming out of a handful of countries/factories.

ktta 4y ago

Pretty sure. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4346 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4346

rjzzleep 4y ago
There is also the inflation reduction act that is very enticing to European industry giants that are facing hardship or downright insolvency due to their own governments stupid energy sanctions game. In fact NOW suddenly Macron and Scholz find it unfair that the US is snatching these company's. I can't say I have much sympathy for Europe. Well played US. I wonder to what extent you can get subsidies from both acts. I assume it shouldn't be a problem.
- midasz 4y ago
  I don't think Europe has much of a choice. It's either sanctioning Russia and suffering ourselves, or allowing Ukraine to be taken with the horrors that come with that. If it would end there, maybe but still no, but it won't end there. Who is next on Russia's list?
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >> don't think Europe has much of a choice. The choice was made decades ago on the alter of faux environmentalism to export the environmental cost of energy production to another nation so the EU could claim moral superiority in the climate change battle. Completely decimating domestic energy sources.
    - midasz 4y ago
      No one gave a hoot about climate change decades ago. Russian gas is cheap. That's it. No idea what you're on about.
      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>No one gave a hoot about climate change decades ago Well that is simply false.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > due to their own governments stupid energy sanctions game Having morals and accepting hardship for standing up for them is not stupid. It's a principled stance most Europeans agree with. Governments need to step in and help whenever needed (with price caps for consumers, advantageous loans to businesses) to smooth it out, but it was that or appeasement, and we all know very well it doesn't work.
- Slartie 4y ago
  > due to their own governments stupid energy sanctions game As if the US would have just kept buying 40% of its imported gas from Russia, were the roles reversed.

totalZero 4y ago

Apple spent something like a half-trillion on share buybacks. They could have averted this crisis a decade ago by thinking strategically. They didn't. Why give them credit where little or no credit is due?

phpisthebest 4y ago
- d3ckard 4y ago
  Don't want to start a fight, but honestly, I only ever hear those types of arguments from people who don't use Apple hardware. People who do, in large majority, do it for two reasons: - build quality; - it mostly just works.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >>- build quality This is part of the marketing delusion, multiple people have done A/B testing to clearly show Apple Build Quality is either on par with the rest of the industry or in many specific examples WORSE, people that claim this often have ZERO experience with non-apple products or are comparing different classes like a budget consumer level Lenovo to the pro line of apple, of course of $500 unit will be of less quality than a $2500 unit For an example of poor build quality / engineering Check out Louis Rossmans' "Think Different" video where he outlines some of the various engineering problems Apple has had >>- it mostly just works. I see the often repeated, I have had android phone for decades and never had any issue with them, they just work as well. I am not sure what is "not working" on an Android, I can also say i have never had an Android phone that I had to hold "correctly" in order for the antenna to work... Again I think this stems from comparing different classes of phone, Apple only makes Mid to High eng phones, (which is the market I am in for Android devices I tend to buy the Flagship from the manufacturer) they do not make budget and entry phone, these low end phones will have more problem. Would it be better to just price out entire segments of the population? That does not seem to be socially moral

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deelowe 4y ago

Things were already heading that direction before the CHIPS act. The geopolitical issues with China have been a major concern for a while now. Not to mention the general business continuity concerns with everything coming out of a handful of countries/factories.