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At this point I don’t think it’s controversial to say that this project existing has harmed creative tools on Linux. If another project had become the de-facto

At this point I don’t think it’s controversial to say that this project existing has harmed creative tools on Linux. If another project had become the de-facto we’d have all those basic features. Instead we’re stuck with something that almost provides the basics ok, because it exists people treat it like a solved problem, and it has such a history no one’s allowed to say it just frankly isn’t usable for it’s one job.

Nition 4y ago
In some ways the de facto standard now is http://www.photopea.com http://www.photopea.com in a browser.
- wankle 4y ago
  GIMP I've used for years and years, never heard of photopea, was the comment a SPAM Ad spot?
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    No, photopea is pretty well known now. Mentionned a few times on HN too
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    Photopea is almost more well known than gimp these days.
    - denkmoon 4y ago
      Who knows why you're being downvoted, and I'd say it's _more_ well known than GIMP. My sister has used Photopea. She's as far from a sophisticated computer user as you can get. Regular people can stumble across Photopea, they certainly don't know about GIMP.
    - Agrue8u 4y ago
      Haven't used photoshop in 10 years. I have gimp, never use it. Paint.net is my basic image tool, along with IrfanView, for which I have a license circa 2004. I also use Scribus, FOSS version of InDesign. But never heard of Photopea until today...
- baud147258 4y ago
  personally I prefer https://pixlr.com/ https://pixlr.com/, but then it's mostly because I learned to use it first.
- nextaccountic 4y ago
  It's not free software though
wankle 4y ago
> this project existing has harmed creative tools on Linux If anything, GIMP has brought more people to Linux from the dark side.
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  Not anyone who needs to edit images in a professional sense. They arrive, try GIMP because they’re told it’s a Photoshop alternative then leave when they see the lack of normal features. It’s actually even bad for students because to create with GIMP you have to do early 90s image editing workflows which are no longer used in real jobs.
  - wankle 4y ago
    A lot of people including me from time to time do need to deal with some image editing at work and do not need Photoshop (nor have I ever used Photoshop) and GIMP's powerful tools more than fill this need.
agumonkey 4y ago
Personally I credit GIMP for making me learn imagemagick.
HKH2 4y ago
Krita has those features. Sure it would probably be better if more people worked on Krita, but I'm often pleasantly surprised by the new features they implement.
matkoniecz 4y ago
I am confused why you think that Gimp somehow magically used all slots for image software development. It is not like it is extremely well funded or otherwise resource consuming. > because it exists people treat it like a solved problem People complaining about lack of alternative projects in open source is a new one for me > it has such a history no one’s allowed to say it just frankly isn’t usable for it’s one job. that is not how free software creation works like, really
- lmm 4y ago
  > I am confused why you think that Gimp somehow magically used all slots for image software development. The linux distribution model seems to lead it to, somehow. If you open up a RedHat machine and ask it for a picture editor, you're going to get Gimp, even though Krita would almost certainly be better at doing what you want.
  - matkoniecz 4y ago
    Have you tried filing bug report/feature request to change such default in at least one distribution? (or tried filing any such configuration request in any Linux distribution and got it rejected/ignored?)
Euphorbium 4y ago
My favorite conspiracy theory is that gimp is made by adobe or microsoft, to sabotage open source alternatives entirely. Even starving kids in Africa will save up for photoshop and windows, once they have used gimp. Literally every alternative is better than gimp.

Nition 4y ago

In some ways the de facto standard now is http://www.photopea.com http://www.photopea.com in a browser.

wankle 4y ago
GIMP I've used for years and years, never heard of photopea, was the comment a SPAM Ad spot?
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  No, photopea is pretty well known now. Mentionned a few times on HN too
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Photopea is almost more well known than gimp these days.
  - denkmoon 4y ago
    Who knows why you're being downvoted, and I'd say it's _more_ well known than GIMP. My sister has used Photopea. She's as far from a sophisticated computer user as you can get. Regular people can stumble across Photopea, they certainly don't know about GIMP.
  - Agrue8u 4y ago
    Haven't used photoshop in 10 years. I have gimp, never use it. Paint.net is my basic image tool, along with IrfanView, for which I have a license circa 2004. I also use Scribus, FOSS version of InDesign. But never heard of Photopea until today...
baud147258 4y ago
personally I prefer https://pixlr.com/ https://pixlr.com/, but then it's mostly because I learned to use it first.
nextaccountic 4y ago
It's not free software though

wankle 4y ago

> this project existing has harmed creative tools on Linux If anything, GIMP has brought more people to Linux from the dark side.

whywhywhywhy 4y ago
Not anyone who needs to edit images in a professional sense. They arrive, try GIMP because they’re told it’s a Photoshop alternative then leave when they see the lack of normal features. It’s actually even bad for students because to create with GIMP you have to do early 90s image editing workflows which are no longer used in real jobs.
- wankle 4y ago
  A lot of people including me from time to time do need to deal with some image editing at work and do not need Photoshop (nor have I ever used Photoshop) and GIMP's powerful tools more than fill this need.

agumonkey 4y ago

Personally I credit GIMP for making me learn imagemagick.

HKH2 4y ago

Krita has those features. Sure it would probably be better if more people worked on Krita, but I'm often pleasantly surprised by the new features they implement.

matkoniecz 4y ago

I am confused why you think that Gimp somehow magically used all slots for image software development. It is not like it is extremely well funded or otherwise resource consuming. > because it exists people treat it like a solved problem People complaining about lack of alternative projects in open source is a new one for me > it has such a history no one’s allowed to say it just frankly isn’t usable for it’s one job. that is not how free software creation works like, really

lmm 4y ago
> I am confused why you think that Gimp somehow magically used all slots for image software development. The linux distribution model seems to lead it to, somehow. If you open up a RedHat machine and ask it for a picture editor, you're going to get Gimp, even though Krita would almost certainly be better at doing what you want.
- matkoniecz 4y ago
  Have you tried filing bug report/feature request to change such default in at least one distribution? (or tried filing any such configuration request in any Linux distribution and got it rejected/ignored?)

Euphorbium 4y ago

My favorite conspiracy theory is that gimp is made by adobe or microsoft, to sabotage open source alternatives entirely. Even starving kids in Africa will save up for photoshop and windows, once they have used gimp. Literally every alternative is better than gimp.