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The point for me was that a snow leopard never walks on such exposes snowy terrain, actually no animal does (humans with ropes are a exeption), it's simply too

by nix23 4y ago

The point for me was that a snow leopard never walks on such exposes snowy terrain, actually no animal does (humans with ropes are a exeption), it's simply too dangerous: >>As to whether snow leopards are likely to be seen on glaciers, Vincent Munier, a snow-leopard specialist, is categoric – the answer is no. But from her site: >I am simply a 24-year-old girl that has a 9-5 job, likes to take/edit photos, and tries to raise awareness of conservation and help our planet. Since I have received death threats for all of this, I have taken down my social accounts. It was maybe just to have a cool photo...but that is unacceptable behavior from the "social" community.

hef19898 4y ago
Wow, I get it that people get angry when composite and staged photos win photography competitions. But going as far as sending death threats to a hobbyist photographer whose photos were published by third parties, without proper permission and proper disclaimers it seems, is truly despicable. Because there is nothing wrong with composites (I don't do them, but art is in the eye of the beholder) as long as they are not passed on as non-composites. And just where the line between post-processing, editing and composites is, well, those lines are blurry, aren't they?
- sho_hn 4y ago
  If she did cheat (i.e. only added the disclaimer later on), she may also not be forthright about the death threats, of course. A reminder of why it's not a good idea to jeopardize one's credibility: It's hard to re-attain.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    > If she did cheat (i.e. only added the disclaimer later on) That is not cheating in a photo competition.
    - nix23 4y ago
      It is kind of cheating if you are a nature-photographer, and she wrote that next to the picture: >>At first I thought it was a rock, but it was exactly what I was looking for. https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series That's not ok, but anyway, no big deal. She will just have a hard time to re-establish herself as a serious Nature-Photographer.
      - adammarples 4y ago
        She doesn't seem to be trying to, it looks from her website that she's quite a successful digital art / composite creator and that's what she claims to be.
- martin_a 4y ago
  > But going as far as sending death threats Did that really happen, though? Yes, it's the internet and there are lots of crazy people out there, but on the other hand "I've been threatened" is a quick and easy way for trying to erase/blur things you'd prefere not to be inspected any closer. Maybe she was gambling. If nobody had noticed this fake, this could have been a HUGE thing and a start into another lucrative career, maybe get an award or two. After all there are these once in a lifetime shots and people take them and it's a big thing. And you might look up to those and hope for your personal shot of a lifetime and be tempted to help yourself a bit...
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    Were the photos submitted to any competitions or for any awards? Do you have any evidence she is lying about death threats? Perhaps you should reconsider before jumping on internet smear campaigns.
    - martin_a 4y ago
      > Do you have any evidence she is lying about death threats? She lied about that picture and tried to deceive viewers into believing everything happened that way. Why should I trust her when she says she received threats?
      - matkoniecz 4y ago
        I bet that death threats were real, though of zero seriousness. Sadly there are many people willing to spam death threats with zero credibility or as a "joke".
        shkkmo 4y ago
        "serious" or not, death threats are hard to brush off. Just because someone only engaged in one part of the internet bullying that is happening here and didn't send the threats themselves, doesn't excuse responsibility for them. Just helping foment the hostility makes you somewhat culpable for the inevitable death threats that come with that hostility.
EdwardDiego 4y ago
> The point for me was that a snow leopard never walks on such exposes snowy terrain, actually no animal does (humans with ropes are a exeption), it's simply too dangerous. Many animals do. Chamois and tahr are two that I've observed doing so, and have been frequently documented doing so. Sure, there's no prey on a snow covered alpine pass for a leopard. And there's no grazing on a snow covered alpine pass for a chamois either. But _there_ is food on the other side of that pass. Hence why it's worth the walk. And why do they use the pass? Same reason humans do, minimise energy expenditure by crossing at the lowest point.

by nix23 4y ago

hef19898 4y ago

Wow, I get it that people get angry when composite and staged photos win photography competitions. But going as far as sending death threats to a hobbyist photographer whose photos were published by third parties, without proper permission and proper disclaimers it seems, is truly despicable. Because there is nothing wrong with composites (I don't do them, but art is in the eye of the beholder) as long as they are not passed on as non-composites. And just where the line between post-processing, editing and composites is, well, those lines are blurry, aren't they?

sho_hn 4y ago
If she did cheat (i.e. only added the disclaimer later on), she may also not be forthright about the death threats, of course. A reminder of why it's not a good idea to jeopardize one's credibility: It's hard to re-attain.
- bawolff 4y ago
  > If she did cheat (i.e. only added the disclaimer later on) That is not cheating in a photo competition.
  - nix23 4y ago
    It is kind of cheating if you are a nature-photographer, and she wrote that next to the picture: >>At first I thought it was a rock, but it was exactly what I was looking for. https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series That's not ok, but anyway, no big deal. She will just have a hard time to re-establish herself as a serious Nature-Photographer.
    - adammarples 4y ago
      She doesn't seem to be trying to, it looks from her website that she's quite a successful digital art / composite creator and that's what she claims to be.
martin_a 4y ago
> But going as far as sending death threats Did that really happen, though? Yes, it's the internet and there are lots of crazy people out there, but on the other hand "I've been threatened" is a quick and easy way for trying to erase/blur things you'd prefere not to be inspected any closer. Maybe she was gambling. If nobody had noticed this fake, this could have been a HUGE thing and a start into another lucrative career, maybe get an award or two. After all there are these once in a lifetime shots and people take them and it's a big thing. And you might look up to those and hope for your personal shot of a lifetime and be tempted to help yourself a bit...
- shkkmo 4y ago
  Were the photos submitted to any competitions or for any awards? Do you have any evidence she is lying about death threats? Perhaps you should reconsider before jumping on internet smear campaigns.
  - martin_a 4y ago
    > Do you have any evidence she is lying about death threats? She lied about that picture and tried to deceive viewers into believing everything happened that way. Why should I trust her when she says she received threats?
    - matkoniecz 4y ago
      I bet that death threats were real, though of zero seriousness. Sadly there are many people willing to spam death threats with zero credibility or as a "joke".
      - shkkmo 4y ago
        "serious" or not, death threats are hard to brush off. Just because someone only engaged in one part of the internet bullying that is happening here and didn't send the threats themselves, doesn't excuse responsibility for them. Just helping foment the hostility makes you somewhat culpable for the inevitable death threats that come with that hostility.

EdwardDiego 4y ago

> The point for me was that a snow leopard never walks on such exposes snowy terrain, actually no animal does (humans with ropes are a exeption), it's simply too dangerous. Many animals do. Chamois and tahr are two that I've observed doing so, and have been frequently documented doing so. Sure, there's no prey on a snow covered alpine pass for a leopard. And there's no grazing on a snow covered alpine pass for a chamois either. But _there_ is food on the other side of that pass. Hence why it's worth the walk. And why do they use the pass? Same reason humans do, minimise energy expenditure by crossing at the lowest point.