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The article was last Friday. Any idea when she added the disclaimer? It looks like she never meant it to be presented as anything other than a composite, but so

by iamben 4y ago

The article was last Friday. Any idea when she added the disclaimer? It looks like she never meant it to be presented as anything other than a composite, but someone took it as such and ran with it. Now she's trying to weather the "you're a terrible person" shitstorm.

xanthine 4y ago
That is easily solved by looking at a capture from the beginning of this month, where indeed, the disclaimer is absent: https://web.archive.org/web/20221101125244/https://kittiyapawlowski.com/about-kittiya https://web.archive.org/web/20221101125244/https://kittiyapa...
- bawolff 4y ago
  I think the point is she wasn't explicitly presenting them as authentic, in which case whether or not the disclaimer is there originally is irrelavent.
  - matkoniecz 4y ago
    They were and still are presenting them as actual photos >Squinting through my camera’s telephoto lens, I noticed something in the shadow of Mount Pumori. At first I thought it was a rock, but it was exactly what I was looking for. https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series
    - arrrg 4y ago
      You can create photo montages from actual photos you took. In that way her description would still reflect reality. Or are you claiming she didn’t photograph a snow leopard?
      - josefx 4y ago
        Does she claim anywhere that she did? As far as I can tell she only claims that she took photos in Nepal that she later touched up to her hearts content.
      - matkoniecz 4y ago
        They describe it as taking photo of snow leopard. I am claiming that her descriptions are at least highly misleading and apparently formed to technically avoid stating false info, while lying.
arrrg 4y ago
Artists don't need to add disclaimers to their work. They are not journalists. That would be ridiculous. The only relevant question you have to ask yourself is whether she (herself) presented herself as a journalist. If not then this is all a bit weird to accuse her of anything. Obviously artists can use photo montages. And obviously artists don't even have to disclose that anywhere. The art can stand for itself.
- iamben 4y ago
  Apologies if my comment read with the implication that she needed to? To clarify, I don't care in the slightest whether she adds a disclaimer or not. After reading the article, which was pretty blunt, I was trying to figure out whether she had been forced to add a disclaimer of sorts (because had that been there initially, I would have assumed it would have been mentioned in the article). I guess her work went 'viral' and now people are accusing her of being dishonest in a way that (again, I assume!) she (most likely!) didn't set out to be. At least that was my take. I could be completely wrong and she could have set out to manipulate the entire world - but I'd prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt. Hanlon's razor and all that :-)

by iamben 4y ago

xanthine 4y ago

That is easily solved by looking at a capture from the beginning of this month, where indeed, the disclaimer is absent: https://web.archive.org/web/20221101125244/https://kittiyapawlowski.com/about-kittiya https://web.archive.org/web/20221101125244/https://kittiyapa...

bawolff 4y ago
I think the point is she wasn't explicitly presenting them as authentic, in which case whether or not the disclaimer is there originally is irrelavent.
- matkoniecz 4y ago
  They were and still are presenting them as actual photos >Squinting through my camera’s telephoto lens, I noticed something in the shadow of Mount Pumori. At first I thought it was a rock, but it was exactly what I was looking for. https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series https://kittiyapawlowski.com/snow-leopard-series
  - arrrg 4y ago
    You can create photo montages from actual photos you took. In that way her description would still reflect reality. Or are you claiming she didn’t photograph a snow leopard?
    - josefx 4y ago
      Does she claim anywhere that she did? As far as I can tell she only claims that she took photos in Nepal that she later touched up to her hearts content.
    - matkoniecz 4y ago
      They describe it as taking photo of snow leopard. I am claiming that her descriptions are at least highly misleading and apparently formed to technically avoid stating false info, while lying.

arrrg 4y ago

Artists don't need to add disclaimers to their work. They are not journalists. That would be ridiculous. The only relevant question you have to ask yourself is whether she (herself) presented herself as a journalist. If not then this is all a bit weird to accuse her of anything. Obviously artists can use photo montages. And obviously artists don't even have to disclose that anywhere. The art can stand for itself.

iamben 4y ago
Apologies if my comment read with the implication that she needed to? To clarify, I don't care in the slightest whether she adds a disclaimer or not. After reading the article, which was pretty blunt, I was trying to figure out whether she had been forced to add a disclaimer of sorts (because had that been there initially, I would have assumed it would have been mentioned in the article). I guess her work went 'viral' and now people are accusing her of being dishonest in a way that (again, I assume!) she (most likely!) didn't set out to be. At least that was my take. I could be completely wrong and she could have set out to manipulate the entire world - but I'd prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt. Hanlon's razor and all that :-)