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Actually no, they were not cherry picked. Except for generations which did not match the prompt at all, I took every image that was created. For the human imag

by ronsor 4y ago

Actually no, they were not cherry picked. Except for generations which did not match the prompt at all, I took every image that was created. For the human images, I just took things from Unsplash's and ArtStation's front pages. I clicked on those images without looking. Early next year I'll do a better quiz with more variety. This was a weekend project.

O__________O 4y ago
>> Except for generations which did not match the prompt at all, I took every image that was created. While I believe I understand what you mean, to me, this is not what AI generated art means, hence why I suggested limiting prompts to existing top queries to a top stock image site and the using that as the prompt. Also, I have to say that I very surprised none of the AI images were cherry picked, since I personally have run 100s if not 1000s of “high quality” prompts, and in my experience volume of misfits is normal pretty high; for sure read and reviewed 1000s of prompts and their outputs which were shared and in my experience even those have artificial artifacts and are likely cherry picked from the ones that were much worse. Another alternative might be to get the top best selling stock images, run them through CLIP, then use those as the prompts, but then you’re evaluating CLIP + plus whatever AI image generation system you’re using. Another huge give away is the resolution. Obviously you’re able to get ultra super resolution human generated images, but to my knowledge that’s not possible yet for AI images. Which AI generation tool were you using and what were the prompts/settings?
- ronsor 4y ago
  Two models were used for image generation: the not-yet-released AniPlus v2 and vanilla Stable Diffusion 1.5 AniPlus v2 generally creates good if not great images consistently. All images were generated in AUTOMATIC1111's web UI, with the DPM++ 2S A sampler @ 15 steps. I'll soon release the metadata for the AI images.
matkoniecz 4y ago
> Actually no, they were not cherry picked. Except for generations which did not match the prompt at all Second sentence describes process of selection. Is there difference in English between "filtered" / "selected" and "cherry picked"? Is "cherry picked" implying extreme filtering?
- dec0dedab0de 4y ago
  Filtered is the process of removing parts from the whole. Like how a water filter removes unwanted chemicals. Selected means it was chosen. So after filtering you could make a selection from all or part of the remaining choices. Cherry picked, means selected individually to meet a goal. Selecting very bad results to be removed is almost the opposite of cherry picking. Cherry picking would be picking only the best images and presenting them, here they removed the worst images and showed the rest.
  - Xelynega 4y ago
    > picking only the best images and presenting them > they removed the worst images and showed the rest Is removing rejects not a way to pick only the best?
    - O__________O 4y ago
      To me, there’s no right answer, hence why I listed set of examples and ended list with etc. Based on my own experience, selecting images that fit the prompt and images that just happened to be generally speaking a fit for the creator are different modes of producing outputs to share. That said, as it relates to the topic of this HN post, understanding the systems, assumption, workflow, etc used to render the survey, its content, and results to me are vital to understanding what actually going on.
    - dec0dedab0de 4y ago
      Is removing rejects not a way to pick only the best? It is not, unless your rejection criteria is "everything that is not the best." However, if your rejection criteria is "not meeting basic requirements" then you are left with the best, and the second best and the middle, all the way down to the bottom of adequate.
      - Xelynega 4y ago
        So if "basic requirements" in this case are "on first glance like a face good enough to fool a human", I don't see how you could have a "best" criteria that's significantly different without accounting for the odd glitches in the current set. You're making a distinction that I understand can exits. I'm just failing to see where it exists in this case.

by ronsor 4y ago

O__________O 4y ago

>> Except for generations which did not match the prompt at all, I took every image that was created. While I believe I understand what you mean, to me, this is not what AI generated art means, hence why I suggested limiting prompts to existing top queries to a top stock image site and the using that as the prompt. Also, I have to say that I very surprised none of the AI images were cherry picked, since I personally have run 100s if not 1000s of “high quality” prompts, and in my experience volume of misfits is normal pretty high; for sure read and reviewed 1000s of prompts and their outputs which were shared and in my experience even those have artificial artifacts and are likely cherry picked from the ones that were much worse. Another alternative might be to get the top best selling stock images, run them through CLIP, then use those as the prompts, but then you’re evaluating CLIP + plus whatever AI image generation system you’re using. Another huge give away is the resolution. Obviously you’re able to get ultra super resolution human generated images, but to my knowledge that’s not possible yet for AI images. Which AI generation tool were you using and what were the prompts/settings?

ronsor 4y ago
Two models were used for image generation: the not-yet-released AniPlus v2 and vanilla Stable Diffusion 1.5 AniPlus v2 generally creates good if not great images consistently. All images were generated in AUTOMATIC1111's web UI, with the DPM++ 2S A sampler @ 15 steps. I'll soon release the metadata for the AI images.

matkoniecz 4y ago

> Actually no, they were not cherry picked. Except for generations which did not match the prompt at all Second sentence describes process of selection. Is there difference in English between "filtered" / "selected" and "cherry picked"? Is "cherry picked" implying extreme filtering?

dec0dedab0de 4y ago
Filtered is the process of removing parts from the whole. Like how a water filter removes unwanted chemicals. Selected means it was chosen. So after filtering you could make a selection from all or part of the remaining choices. Cherry picked, means selected individually to meet a goal. Selecting very bad results to be removed is almost the opposite of cherry picking. Cherry picking would be picking only the best images and presenting them, here they removed the worst images and showed the rest.
- Xelynega 4y ago
  > picking only the best images and presenting them > they removed the worst images and showed the rest Is removing rejects not a way to pick only the best?
  - O__________O 4y ago
    To me, there’s no right answer, hence why I listed set of examples and ended list with etc. Based on my own experience, selecting images that fit the prompt and images that just happened to be generally speaking a fit for the creator are different modes of producing outputs to share. That said, as it relates to the topic of this HN post, understanding the systems, assumption, workflow, etc used to render the survey, its content, and results to me are vital to understanding what actually going on.
  - dec0dedab0de 4y ago
    Is removing rejects not a way to pick only the best? It is not, unless your rejection criteria is "everything that is not the best." However, if your rejection criteria is "not meeting basic requirements" then you are left with the best, and the second best and the middle, all the way down to the bottom of adequate.
    - Xelynega 4y ago
      So if "basic requirements" in this case are "on first glance like a face good enough to fool a human", I don't see how you could have a "best" criteria that's significantly different without accounting for the odd glitches in the current set. You're making a distinction that I understand can exits. I'm just failing to see where it exists in this case.