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Right now rich people in developed countries can afford the best doctors. Most people in the world get shitty healthcare. An AI assisted medical staff can signi

Right now rich people in developed countries can afford the best doctors. Most people in the world get shitty healthcare. An AI assisted medical staff can significantly raise the bar. In many low income settings, even access to a medical professional means a long wait time. I see AI serving a valid purpose of guiding busy humans who have little free time. An AI can take current symptoms, past medical history, clustering the data based on travel history, real-time outbreaks, etc, etc and come up with candidate diagnoses.

ThinkBeat 4y ago
If applied in the US, where a huge amount of people dont have access to decent healthcare who is responsible when a patient is misdiagnosed by an AI and treated for the wrong condition? If a doctor is responsbile for vetting all the answers then it is questionable how much time will be saved. All expected relevant information may be collected and presented in a handy report. That is good but doesn't require AI. In order to pick a diagnosis in all but trivial cases the MD will have to invest real time into it and at that point making trivial diagnosis is also simpler to do manually. I suppose the medical treatment can come with an EULA that informs the patient that the diagnosis might not be accurate. (Though that can happen from flesh and blood MDs as well). Watson did not work out really well https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-ibm-watson.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-...
- trap_goes_hot 4y ago
  >who is responsible when a patient is misdiagnosed by an AI and treated for the wrong condition? Good question, and it has been discussed plenty on the internet: https://aublr.org/2019/10/what-happens-when-ai-unintentionally-kills-individuals/ https://aublr.org/2019/10/what-happens-when-ai-unintentional... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/who-is-liable-when-ai-kills/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/who-is-liable-whe... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S026736491830356X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02673... https://www.griffithinjurylaw.com/blog/automated-cars-may-affect-liability-in-crash-injury-lawsuits.cfm https://www.griffithinjurylaw.com/blog/automated-cars-may-af... There isn't any other way except governments implementing a legal framework of liabilities around AI tech. >In order to pick a diagnosis in all but trivial cases the MD will have to invest real time into it and at that point making trivial diagnosis is also simpler to do manually. People around the world still die from trivial, preventable illnesses simply for lack of access to a doctor/diagnosis. Its wrong to look at AI as magically solving everything. I see a use for it where it can improve the existing situation. >Watson did not work out really well https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened- https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-... Our entire scientific journey is filled with failed experiments. Its not possible to stop AI from progressing, but we can and must use an ethical approach.
nradov 4y ago
Please explain how an AI can take current systems and past medical history. No AI system has ever successfully demonstrated such a capability. Especially not with patients who may have limited literacy.
- trap_goes_hot 4y ago
  There isn't much to explain. Existing medical data is processed by the AI. New data is collected by means of electronic questionnaires. Questions are chosen in succession based on past responses. People who have learning disabilities, or disabled in other areas - sight, hearing, or generally unable to interact with the electronic system will require human assistance. The global literacy rate is 87%, and there is room for more than one system so we can cater to everyone's needs.
  - nradov 4y ago
    Your explanation is inadequate. The necessary information can't be effectively gathered with electric questionnaires. This has been tried and it doesn't work. Your comment is typical for software developers who are ignorant about the basics of healthcare delivery.
    - trap_goes_hot 4y ago
      >The necessary information can't be effectively gathered with electric questionnaires. Your explanation is inadequate. Which systems are you referring to and how do you know it can't be done?

ThinkBeat 4y ago

If applied in the US, where a huge amount of people dont have access to decent healthcare who is responsible when a patient is misdiagnosed by an AI and treated for the wrong condition? If a doctor is responsbile for vetting all the answers then it is questionable how much time will be saved. All expected relevant information may be collected and presented in a handy report. That is good but doesn't require AI. In order to pick a diagnosis in all but trivial cases the MD will have to invest real time into it and at that point making trivial diagnosis is also simpler to do manually. I suppose the medical treatment can come with an EULA that informs the patient that the diagnosis might not be accurate. (Though that can happen from flesh and blood MDs as well). Watson did not work out really well https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-ibm-watson.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-...

trap_goes_hot 4y ago
>who is responsible when a patient is misdiagnosed by an AI and treated for the wrong condition? Good question, and it has been discussed plenty on the internet: https://aublr.org/2019/10/what-happens-when-ai-unintentionally-kills-individuals/ https://aublr.org/2019/10/what-happens-when-ai-unintentional... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/who-is-liable-when-ai-kills/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/who-is-liable-whe... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S026736491830356X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02673... https://www.griffithinjurylaw.com/blog/automated-cars-may-affect-liability-in-crash-injury-lawsuits.cfm https://www.griffithinjurylaw.com/blog/automated-cars-may-af... There isn't any other way except governments implementing a legal framework of liabilities around AI tech. >In order to pick a diagnosis in all but trivial cases the MD will have to invest real time into it and at that point making trivial diagnosis is also simpler to do manually. People around the world still die from trivial, preventable illnesses simply for lack of access to a doctor/diagnosis. Its wrong to look at AI as magically solving everything. I see a use for it where it can improve the existing situation. >Watson did not work out really well https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened- https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-... Our entire scientific journey is filled with failed experiments. Its not possible to stop AI from progressing, but we can and must use an ethical approach.

nradov 4y ago

Please explain how an AI can take current systems and past medical history. No AI system has ever successfully demonstrated such a capability. Especially not with patients who may have limited literacy.

trap_goes_hot 4y ago
There isn't much to explain. Existing medical data is processed by the AI. New data is collected by means of electronic questionnaires. Questions are chosen in succession based on past responses. People who have learning disabilities, or disabled in other areas - sight, hearing, or generally unable to interact with the electronic system will require human assistance. The global literacy rate is 87%, and there is room for more than one system so we can cater to everyone's needs.
- nradov 4y ago
  Your explanation is inadequate. The necessary information can't be effectively gathered with electric questionnaires. This has been tried and it doesn't work. Your comment is typical for software developers who are ignorant about the basics of healthcare delivery.
  - trap_goes_hot 4y ago
    >The necessary information can't be effectively gathered with electric questionnaires. Your explanation is inadequate. Which systems are you referring to and how do you know it can't be done?