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killed himself, disabled the cameras pointed at his cell, and made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks.

ceejayoz 4y ago
> made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks Honestly, this shouldn't be surprising. My dad's a doc, and it's not an uncommon occurrence for a patient to have perfect vitals logged in the chart all day, then crash, in a way that means they couldn't possibly have had perfect vitals all day. People half-ass their jobs all the time.
- matwood 4y ago
  Yep. And your dad presumably actually cares about his patients. These guards likely didn't care if Epstein got hurt, which made them even more likely to half-ass it.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    A good point, but to be clear, it's not the doc doing the false charting in this example.
yodon 4y ago
Or he made use of the fact that the guards were incompetent to kill himself while they were not checking on him, in order to avoid the abuse and violence against him that would certainly happen to him as a well known child molester in prison.
- tootie 4y ago
  Prison guards being lazy is the least suspicious thing about this.
Eric_WVGG 4y ago
Also his cellmate, who would have seen any wrong-doing, was coincidentally reassigned that day. Found “hung” in a kneeling position, which any skeptic needs to think through carefully… this isn’t like a western hanging with gallows and gravity; if you really believe he didn’t kill himself, then he must have somehow just pulled his own head until he died, a frankly unbelievable force of will, akin to holding one’s own breathe til they perished. If a conspiracy theory is when you have to believe some pretty silly things in order for it to be true, then the actual conspiracy theory is that he committed suicide.
tootie 4y ago
Camera story was false. There was recovered footage of his block for the entire time leading up to his death and no one approached his cell.
- exolymph 4y ago
  > Federal prosecutors have found surveillance video of the area around the cell of accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein on the day of his first jailhouse suicide attempt, according to a new court filing. Earlier this week, they said the footage was missing. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-attempt-is-found.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein... Hmm. Is there footage of his success?
  - tootie 4y ago
    There was never a camera pointed into his cell. It was not standard practice to watch everyone directly all the time.
- shireboy 4y ago
  My read of the articles is that they have footage from a hall or something but not of the immediate area: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053205 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053205 Regardless, it proves the point that the news system is not helping bubble up truth here. Is this bbc article outdated? Is there nuance in the reports they “found the video” that is lost? Where is the most recent conclusive answers to some of the obvious questions around this situation?

> made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks Honestly, this shouldn't be surprising. My dad's a doc, and it's not an uncommon occurrence for a patient to have perfect vitals logged in the chart all day, then crash, in a way that means they couldn't possibly have had perfect vitals all day. People half-ass their jobs all the time.

matwood 4y ago
Yep. And your dad presumably actually cares about his patients. These guards likely didn't care if Epstein got hurt, which made them even more likely to half-ass it.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  A good point, but to be clear, it's not the doc doing the false charting in this example.

yodon 4y ago

Or he made use of the fact that the guards were incompetent to kill himself while they were not checking on him, in order to avoid the abuse and violence against him that would certainly happen to him as a well known child molester in prison.

tootie 4y ago
Prison guards being lazy is the least suspicious thing about this.

Eric_WVGG 4y ago

Also his cellmate, who would have seen any wrong-doing, was coincidentally reassigned that day. Found “hung” in a kneeling position, which any skeptic needs to think through carefully… this isn’t like a western hanging with gallows and gravity; if you really believe he didn’t kill himself, then he must have somehow just pulled his own head until he died, a frankly unbelievable force of will, akin to holding one’s own breathe til they perished. If a conspiracy theory is when you have to believe some pretty silly things in order for it to be true, then the actual conspiracy theory is that he committed suicide.

tootie 4y ago

Camera story was false. There was recovered footage of his block for the entire time leading up to his death and no one approached his cell.

exolymph 4y ago
> Federal prosecutors have found surveillance video of the area around the cell of accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein on the day of his first jailhouse suicide attempt, according to a new court filing. Earlier this week, they said the footage was missing. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-attempt-is-found.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein... Hmm. Is there footage of his success?
- tootie 4y ago
  There was never a camera pointed into his cell. It was not standard practice to watch everyone directly all the time.
shireboy 4y ago
My read of the articles is that they have footage from a hall or something but not of the immediate area: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053205 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053205 Regardless, it proves the point that the news system is not helping bubble up truth here. Is this bbc article outdated? Is there nuance in the reports they “found the video” that is lost? Where is the most recent conclusive answers to some of the obvious questions around this situation?