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> but just isn't very likely. He "took his own life" under very suspect circumstances. I wouldn't put that down as isn't very likely.

by hawk_ 4y ago

tootie 4y ago
Again, you're layering speculation on top of speculation in some childish fantasy that the entire moneyed elite are not only complete ghouls but that they decided they should all share in their illegal indulgences in the presence of each other and some untrustworthy host who was secretly recording everything. It just isn't very plausible. A pampered rich man with taste for underage girls killing themselves rather than facing a life sentence is very plausible. Surely there's some bits that remain undiscovered but the chances of an elaborate conspiracy are nil. And we have nearly zero evidence to support any of it.
- simiones 4y ago
  You're ignoring the multitude of suspicious circumstances around his death, and the fact that we know of at least one moneyed elite (prince Andrew) who did in fact to share in his illegal indulgences in the presence of / with the facilitation of Epstein. We also know for example that Melinda Gates decided to divorce Bill Gates after 27 years explicitly because of his ties to Epstein - obviously that's not legally usable evidence, but it should count for something when calculating your priors.
  - tootie 4y ago
    Epstein was a predator and he definitely shared his hobby with Prince Andrew at least once. He very likely shared it with at least some other people, who were likely rich or powerful in some regard. That's the farthest we can extrapolate based on reliable evidence. The notion that keeps floating around that he had entrapped the entire ruling class of the world and had detailed records of their crimes that he wielded over their heads to collect favors is highly improbable. The further notion that the known existence of all that compromising evidence was the impetus for jailhouse assassination with the explicit involvement of the Attorney General on down to the guards leaving nary a trace of evidence whilst simultaneously letting Ghislaine Maxwell walk free and clear is just absurd. Bill Gates should not have spent time with him but there's no way he needed anyone's help to get laid. Melinda didn't like that they were associated, but she divorced him because he kept having affairs with adult women that worked for him.
acdha 4y ago
Considering how hard life in prison is for child molesters I would still bet on the simplest theory that he killed himself to avoid years of torture and possibly death at the hands of his fellow inmates. That doesn’t mean that the other crimes shouldn’t be investigated to see if there are links to people still living but I would be surprised if this turned out to be more than him taking the quick way out. The hardest part of a conspiracy is keeping a secret and something like this is so explosive that that it seems like that would be unusually hard to do.
- blowski 4y ago
  Going with Occam's razor, I suspect you're right. But there were suspicious circumstances, like the security guards falling asleep and CCTV being accidentally deleted. But I have no idea how often that happens otherwise.
  - Eric_WVGG 4y ago
    It was a jail that specialized in high profile cases (terrorists, El Chapo, poor ol’ Ross Ulbrect), and he was the first person to die there in 14 years.
  - tootie 4y ago
    Footage was not deleted. It was initially reported that footage was corrupted or otherwise unrecoverable but it turned out to be false.
- shireboy 4y ago
  killed himself, disabled the cameras pointed at his cell, and made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks Honestly, this shouldn't be surprising. My dad's a doc, and it's not an uncommon occurrence for a patient to have perfect vitals logged in the chart all day, then crash, in a way that means they couldn't possibly have had perfect vitals all day. People half-ass their jobs all the time.

> but just isn't very likely. He "took his own life" under very suspect circumstances. I wouldn't put that down as isn't very likely.

by hawk_ 4y ago

> but just isn't very likely. He "took his own life" under very suspect circumstances. I wouldn't put that down as isn't very likely.

tootie 4y ago

Again, you're layering speculation on top of speculation in some childish fantasy that the entire moneyed elite are not only complete ghouls but that they decided they should all share in their illegal indulgences in the presence of each other and some untrustworthy host who was secretly recording everything. It just isn't very plausible. A pampered rich man with taste for underage girls killing themselves rather than facing a life sentence is very plausible. Surely there's some bits that remain undiscovered but the chances of an elaborate conspiracy are nil. And we have nearly zero evidence to support any of it.

simiones 4y ago
You're ignoring the multitude of suspicious circumstances around his death, and the fact that we know of at least one moneyed elite (prince Andrew) who did in fact to share in his illegal indulgences in the presence of / with the facilitation of Epstein. We also know for example that Melinda Gates decided to divorce Bill Gates after 27 years explicitly because of his ties to Epstein - obviously that's not legally usable evidence, but it should count for something when calculating your priors.
- tootie 4y ago
  Epstein was a predator and he definitely shared his hobby with Prince Andrew at least once. He very likely shared it with at least some other people, who were likely rich or powerful in some regard. That's the farthest we can extrapolate based on reliable evidence. The notion that keeps floating around that he had entrapped the entire ruling class of the world and had detailed records of their crimes that he wielded over their heads to collect favors is highly improbable. The further notion that the known existence of all that compromising evidence was the impetus for jailhouse assassination with the explicit involvement of the Attorney General on down to the guards leaving nary a trace of evidence whilst simultaneously letting Ghislaine Maxwell walk free and clear is just absurd. Bill Gates should not have spent time with him but there's no way he needed anyone's help to get laid. Melinda didn't like that they were associated, but she divorced him because he kept having affairs with adult women that worked for him.

acdha 4y ago

Considering how hard life in prison is for child molesters I would still bet on the simplest theory that he killed himself to avoid years of torture and possibly death at the hands of his fellow inmates. That doesn’t mean that the other crimes shouldn’t be investigated to see if there are links to people still living but I would be surprised if this turned out to be more than him taking the quick way out. The hardest part of a conspiracy is keeping a secret and something like this is so explosive that that it seems like that would be unusually hard to do.

blowski 4y ago
Going with Occam's razor, I suspect you're right. But there were suspicious circumstances, like the security guards falling asleep and CCTV being accidentally deleted. But I have no idea how often that happens otherwise.
- Eric_WVGG 4y ago
  It was a jail that specialized in high profile cases (terrorists, El Chapo, poor ol’ Ross Ulbrect), and he was the first person to die there in 14 years.
- tootie 4y ago
  Footage was not deleted. It was initially reported that footage was corrupted or otherwise unrecoverable but it turned out to be false.
shireboy 4y ago
killed himself, disabled the cameras pointed at his cell, and made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > made the guards skip their 30 minute wellness checks Honestly, this shouldn't be surprising. My dad's a doc, and it's not an uncommon occurrence for a patient to have perfect vitals logged in the chart all day, then crash, in a way that means they couldn't possibly have had perfect vitals all day. People half-ass their jobs all the time.