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At least Google and Samsung don't give in to dictatorships. Yes, hypothetically the US and South Korea hold some power over them... However Google has stood u

At least Google and Samsung don't give in to dictatorships. Yes, hypothetically the US and South Korea hold some power over them... However Google has stood up to Russia, China and others. Unlike Apple...

yuy910616 4y ago
I'd somewhat hesitate to give out credit like that. It's more of that China kicked out Google, thus freeing Google to "stand up" to the CCP. I would love to see more of an example where a company had a lot on the line and still oppose the CCP
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Google was kicked out for not censoring certain things lol. That's literally standing up to China...
  - yuy910616 4y ago
    fair enough!
fabrika 4y ago
No, Google never stood up to Russia. A year ago they blocked a perfectly legal list of candidates published by Navalny team.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-is-fined-390-mln-russia-not-deleting-banned-content-interfax-2022-07-18/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-is-fined-390-mln-r...
sneak 4y ago
If Apple breaks Chinese law in any big or meaningful way... there is no iPhone 15. Full stop. Apple is dead in the water without their CCP-jurisdiction manufacturing which produces approximately 100% of their products (and all of their biggest moneymakers).
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  And they chose to be reliant on a dictatorship... The reasons don't matter, the fact is Apple cooperates with whatever the CCP demands. What happens when China invades Taiwan? Will they aid our enemy?
  - sneak 4y ago
    They were reliant on the cooperation of an authoritarian dictatorship with or without Chinese manufacturing; they are one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley. You can't fight city hall. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv... It works precisely the same in every huge superpower. Absolutely nothing about this situation is unique to China.
- lordofgibbons 4y ago
  China didn't become an authoritarian police state AFTER Apple went in there with their manufacturing. They absolutely knew about CCP behavior, but they went there anyway in order to save money. So, they can't really play the helpless multi-hundred-billion-dollar-corporation victim card.
  - rsj_hn 4y ago
    Apple don't move to China to save money, they moved to China in order to meet high demand. There was simply nowhere else that could produce the volume. And technically, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company, but that's not an important detail. Point is, only Chinese/Taiwanese contract manufacturers could give Apple the volume they needed. I really wish you could talk to some more manufacturing types -- there are many on this site. A lot of things at scale can't be done anywhere except in China. Now, you can argue that's just about "saving money", because Apple should have built its own automated ports and infrastructure and commodity trading hubs and paid to relocate workers to create a bespoke manufacturing center somewhere else -- but subject to realistic constraints, there was China and no second option to produce iPhones at scale.

yuy910616 4y ago

I'd somewhat hesitate to give out credit like that. It's more of that China kicked out Google, thus freeing Google to "stand up" to the CCP. I would love to see more of an example where a company had a lot on the line and still oppose the CCP

Mikeb85 4y ago
Google was kicked out for not censoring certain things lol. That's literally standing up to China...
- yuy910616 4y ago
  fair enough!

fabrika 4y ago

No, Google never stood up to Russia. A year ago they blocked a perfectly legal list of candidates published by Navalny team.

Mikeb85 4y ago
https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-is-fined-390-mln-russia-not-deleting-banned-content-interfax-2022-07-18/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-is-fined-390-mln-r...

sneak 4y ago

If Apple breaks Chinese law in any big or meaningful way... there is no iPhone 15. Full stop. Apple is dead in the water without their CCP-jurisdiction manufacturing which produces approximately 100% of their products (and all of their biggest moneymakers).

Mikeb85 4y ago
And they chose to be reliant on a dictatorship... The reasons don't matter, the fact is Apple cooperates with whatever the CCP demands. What happens when China invades Taiwan? Will they aid our enemy?
- sneak 4y ago
  They were reliant on the cooperation of an authoritarian dictatorship with or without Chinese manufacturing; they are one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley. You can't fight city hall. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv... It works precisely the same in every huge superpower. Absolutely nothing about this situation is unique to China.
lordofgibbons 4y ago
China didn't become an authoritarian police state AFTER Apple went in there with their manufacturing. They absolutely knew about CCP behavior, but they went there anyway in order to save money. So, they can't really play the helpless multi-hundred-billion-dollar-corporation victim card.
- rsj_hn 4y ago
  Apple don't move to China to save money, they moved to China in order to meet high demand. There was simply nowhere else that could produce the volume. And technically, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company, but that's not an important detail. Point is, only Chinese/Taiwanese contract manufacturers could give Apple the volume they needed. I really wish you could talk to some more manufacturing types -- there are many on this site. A lot of things at scale can't be done anywhere except in China. Now, you can argue that's just about "saving money", because Apple should have built its own automated ports and infrastructure and commodity trading hubs and paid to relocate workers to create a bespoke manufacturing center somewhere else -- but subject to realistic constraints, there was China and no second option to produce iPhones at scale.