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It's literally extra screen real estate. The non-notch screen rectangle is the same size as the pre-notch screen.

Kwpolska 4y ago
You’re gaining 24 pt real estate (compared to a notchless screen running the latest macOS versions). Those 24 extra points don’t amount to much (maybe one or two lines of text), but the menu bar real estate is less, and your screen has a pointless gimmick forever embedded into it.
kossTKR 4y ago
We want compactness in a laptop, not "bonus" screen space that's only usable for some useless part of the OS when we have to actually carry it around everyday for multiple years and it makes the screen have a huge top border. Also why does it even have to be this wide in the first place?
- 1123581321 4y ago
  They made the bezels thinner on those. That’s why the notch is there. They basically moved the menu bar into the old bezel area to give you more useful screen space.
- ladberg 4y ago
  As long as you want a laptop with a camera above the screen, you have the choice of filling extra space around the camera with a screen or a bezel. I'd prefer the screen and in my opinion it's strictly an improvement over a bezel with no downsides. If you don't want a camera above the screen then you can go for something like a 2018 Dell XPS, but I think the consumer market has spoken and voted for cameras above screens.
  - kossTKR 4y ago
    I don't really buy that it's not possible to move the cam up a bit into the notch that's still there, but even if it is an engineering problem why not make it possible to actually customise the menu bar? Right now icons disappears under the notch on the right side, and you need 3. party software to customise the right side, and even then there's problems with icons "disappearing" under the notch, along with the mouse. Why do i have to look at 10+ menus on the left side of the notch forever now after upgrading my macbook, that constantly changes with every app im in - i never use them and they just create visual noise?
smoldesu 4y ago
It's a downgrade from my previous 16:10 laptop, and a huge downgrade from 3:2.
- robertoandred 4y ago
  It’s taller than 16:10. How is that a downgrade?

You’re gaining 24 pt real estate (compared to a notchless screen running the latest macOS versions). Those 24 extra points don’t amount to much (maybe one or two lines of text), but the menu bar real estate is less, and your screen has a pointless gimmick forever embedded into it.

kossTKR 4y ago

We want compactness in a laptop, not "bonus" screen space that's only usable for some useless part of the OS when we have to actually carry it around everyday for multiple years and it makes the screen have a huge top border. Also why does it even have to be this wide in the first place?

1123581321 4y ago
They made the bezels thinner on those. That’s why the notch is there. They basically moved the menu bar into the old bezel area to give you more useful screen space.
ladberg 4y ago
As long as you want a laptop with a camera above the screen, you have the choice of filling extra space around the camera with a screen or a bezel. I'd prefer the screen and in my opinion it's strictly an improvement over a bezel with no downsides. If you don't want a camera above the screen then you can go for something like a 2018 Dell XPS, but I think the consumer market has spoken and voted for cameras above screens.
- kossTKR 4y ago
  I don't really buy that it's not possible to move the cam up a bit into the notch that's still there, but even if it is an engineering problem why not make it possible to actually customise the menu bar? Right now icons disappears under the notch on the right side, and you need 3. party software to customise the right side, and even then there's problems with icons "disappearing" under the notch, along with the mouse. Why do i have to look at 10+ menus on the left side of the notch forever now after upgrading my macbook, that constantly changes with every app im in - i never use them and they just create visual noise?

smoldesu 4y ago

It's a downgrade from my previous 16:10 laptop, and a huge downgrade from 3:2.

robertoandred 4y ago
It’s taller than 16:10. How is that a downgrade?