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Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Looking forward to him taking on censorship and standing for free speech aro

Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Looking forward to him taking on censorship and standing for free speech around the globe, particularly in China.

Rebelgecko 4y ago
Twitter is already blocked in China
- elicash 4y ago
  That does not stop him from speaking out about it, thankfully. I hope to see him doing so soon. I don't expect that his work with Tesla will stop him, given his views on free speech.
PakG1 4y ago
You're probably being sarcastic? I would say that's not likely to happen with how he's already bowed to China multiple times in order to get benefits for Tesla. edit: I see you commented regarding Tesla below. I'm not confident that his respect for free speech is universal. He seems to care more about the free speech that he prefers at times, mostly related to what impacts him on a personal level. That being said, that's unfortunately normal for most people too.
kennywinker 4y ago
https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1595526214935904256 https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/15955262149359042... To summarize: Elon Musk: "No far left accounts have been banned from twitter" Commenter: "False, here are four examples" Elon Musk: Suspends commenters account. Champion of free speech indeed. Here is same info summarized in newsweek, since we've all learned how trustworthy twitter screenshots are in recent weeks https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-anti-fascist-accounts-twitter-1761957 https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-...
- 1234letshaveatw 4y ago
  It's a private platform- Also, have you ever heard of the paradox of tolerance? You can't blame him for taking a stand against these extremists...
  - kennywinker 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      >you can't claim the paradox of tolerance while re-instating the treasonous former president's account. This is just whataboutism.
      - kennywinker 4y ago
        Not really. Whataboutism is challenging a challenge with an unrelated challenge. Twitter banning far left accounts, while bringing back far right accounts, all while claiming to be a place for free speech? These are all one topic - especially when considering the paradox of tolerance. If you pick one intolerant group to tolerate, you’re just kingmaking them as the intolerant group that will eventually take over the space.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    I can blame him for lying!
- alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
  https://i.ibb.co/dDp0HQW/Smart-Select-20221128-150152-Firefox.jpg https://i.ibb.co/dDp0HQW/Smart-Select-20221128-150152-Firefo... I uploaded the screenshot to this direct link
- djanogo 4y ago
  This is false info, that account was suspended for doxing people, contacting employers of people on Twitter and getting them fired by mass calling the businesses.
nxm 4y ago
Looking forward to LeBron James and the NBA doing the same
sschueller 4y ago
You're joking right? He is so far up china's behind that he was offered Chinese citizenship which is almost impossible to get. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tesla-boss-elon-musk-offered-permanent-citizenship-in-china-1975821 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tesla-boss-elon-musk-offered...
- elicash 4y ago
  Yes, I am joking. I'm aware of the record China sales for Tesla. Of his expressed pro-China views. Of his favorable treatment by the government there. Etc.
  - deleted 4y ago
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fredgrott 4y ago
he did in fact, also be aware that we might be able to get his deleted tweets via archive.org
- elicash 4y ago
  Link? I will edit if so. I have found some pro-China tweets from Musk, but that's it.
pessimizer 4y ago
I'm not sure why you want to hear Musk's opinions on the protests in China, I assume it's either because you're a big fan or because you think its essential that every rich person opine about every issue so that the poors know how they should think about it. What I wonder is why so many libs are so happy about anti-covid lockdown protests? Backwards day, or just nationalists?
- deleted 4y ago
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walrus01 4y ago
You don't buy a majority stake in a $44bn company where the 2nd largest pre-existing, long standing early investor and shareholder is the Saudi royal family unless you're very comfortable with authoritarian regimes. edit: the saudis still own their shares, https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/10/31/saudi-prince-alwaleed-becomes-twitters-second-largest-shareholder/?sh=3c552512523a https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/10/31/saudi-prin...
- jaywalk 4y ago
  He didn't buy a majority stake, he bought the entire company.
  - lokar 4y ago
    He took on a bunch of partners, he does not own all of it.
    - danans 4y ago
      Those are loans right? So he owns all of it, and they own a big chunk of him.
      - lokar 4y ago
        Loans from banks, and also equity to investors
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Tales about what people haven't done are pure propaganda. I first noticed this under trump. News outlets constantly decried him for things he didn't do. That isn't news. News is fundamentally what did happen. Everything else is propaganda. It's a particularly insidious way to malign someone that seems rational, but with absolutely no substance behind it.
- elicash 4y ago
  How about faulting him for his pro-China tweets -- praising China for having zero domestic COVID cases; calling on Taipei to hand over some control of Taiwan to China. Meanwhile, seeking favorable treatment from China's government. I disagree with your premise (as does Musk who is faulting Apple for NOT advertising on Twitter; or anybody who has ever been faulted for not, say, doing the dishes or any other common thing), but even by your standard there's a real problem here.
  - flutas 4y ago
    > I disagree with your premise (as does Musk who is faulting Apple for NOT advertising on Twitter; or anybody who has ever been faulted for not, say, doing the dishes or any other common thing), but even by your standard there's a real problem here. Ignoring china/musk/etc in this argument, I just wanted to say that's not what's going on here. Apple isn't being called out for "not doing [X]" they are being called out for an action, changing their advertising strategy. Not doing the dishes as your example, is being called out for an inaction ("why won't they say they disagree with [X]") and not equivalent. If the example was "they started doing the dishes then quit" that would be a fair equivalent to this, as they actively performed an action. I think Russell's teapot is adjacent to this. The burden of proof is on the claimant, i.e. "they haven't publicly denounced [X]" is trying to shift the burden to the other party when it should be "through action {Z} they have shown they agree with [X]".
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  It depends on how many related topics they are talking about and usually talk about. And "weird" is a weak implication.

Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Looking forward to him taking on censorship and standing for free speech around the globe, particularly in China.

Rebelgecko 4y ago

Twitter is already blocked in China

elicash 4y ago
That does not stop him from speaking out about it, thankfully. I hope to see him doing so soon. I don't expect that his work with Tesla will stop him, given his views on free speech.

PakG1 4y ago

You're probably being sarcastic? I would say that's not likely to happen with how he's already bowed to China multiple times in order to get benefits for Tesla. edit: I see you commented regarding Tesla below. I'm not confident that his respect for free speech is universal. He seems to care more about the free speech that he prefers at times, mostly related to what impacts him on a personal level. That being said, that's unfortunately normal for most people too.

kennywinker 4y ago

https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1595526214935904256 https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/15955262149359042... To summarize: Elon Musk: "No far left accounts have been banned from twitter" Commenter: "False, here are four examples" Elon Musk: Suspends commenters account. Champion of free speech indeed. Here is same info summarized in newsweek, since we've all learned how trustworthy twitter screenshots are in recent weeks https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-anti-fascist-accounts-twitter-1761957 https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-...

1234letshaveatw 4y ago
It's a private platform- Also, have you ever heard of the paradox of tolerance? You can't blame him for taking a stand against these extremists...
- kennywinker 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    >you can't claim the paradox of tolerance while re-instating the treasonous former president's account. This is just whataboutism.
    - kennywinker 4y ago
      Not really. Whataboutism is challenging a challenge with an unrelated challenge. Twitter banning far left accounts, while bringing back far right accounts, all while claiming to be a place for free speech? These are all one topic - especially when considering the paradox of tolerance. If you pick one intolerant group to tolerate, you’re just kingmaking them as the intolerant group that will eventually take over the space.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  I can blame him for lying!
alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
https://i.ibb.co/dDp0HQW/Smart-Select-20221128-150152-Firefox.jpg https://i.ibb.co/dDp0HQW/Smart-Select-20221128-150152-Firefo... I uploaded the screenshot to this direct link
djanogo 4y ago
This is false info, that account was suspended for doxing people, contacting employers of people on Twitter and getting them fired by mass calling the businesses.

nxm 4y ago

Looking forward to LeBron James and the NBA doing the same

sschueller 4y ago

You're joking right? He is so far up china's behind that he was offered Chinese citizenship which is almost impossible to get. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tesla-boss-elon-musk-offered-permanent-citizenship-in-china-1975821 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tesla-boss-elon-musk-offered...

elicash 4y ago
Yes, I am joking. I'm aware of the record China sales for Tesla. Of his expressed pro-China views. Of his favorable treatment by the government there. Etc.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

fredgrott 4y ago

he did in fact, also be aware that we might be able to get his deleted tweets via archive.org

elicash 4y ago
Link? I will edit if so. I have found some pro-China tweets from Musk, but that's it.

pessimizer 4y ago

I'm not sure why you want to hear Musk's opinions on the protests in China, I assume it's either because you're a big fan or because you think its essential that every rich person opine about every issue so that the poors know how they should think about it. What I wonder is why so many libs are so happy about anti-covid lockdown protests? Backwards day, or just nationalists?

deleted 4y ago
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walrus01 4y ago

You don't buy a majority stake in a $44bn company where the 2nd largest pre-existing, long standing early investor and shareholder is the Saudi royal family unless you're very comfortable with authoritarian regimes. edit: the saudis still own their shares, https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/10/31/saudi-prince-alwaleed-becomes-twitters-second-largest-shareholder/?sh=3c552512523a https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/10/31/saudi-prin...

jaywalk 4y ago
He didn't buy a majority stake, he bought the entire company.
- lokar 4y ago
  He took on a bunch of partners, he does not own all of it.
  - danans 4y ago
    Those are loans right? So he owns all of it, and they own a big chunk of him.
    - lokar 4y ago
      Loans from banks, and also equity to investors

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

>Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Tales about what people haven't done are pure propaganda. I first noticed this under trump. News outlets constantly decried him for things he didn't do. That isn't news. News is fundamentally what did happen. Everything else is propaganda. It's a particularly insidious way to malign someone that seems rational, but with absolutely no substance behind it.

elicash 4y ago
How about faulting him for his pro-China tweets -- praising China for having zero domestic COVID cases; calling on Taipei to hand over some control of Taiwan to China. Meanwhile, seeking favorable treatment from China's government. I disagree with your premise (as does Musk who is faulting Apple for NOT advertising on Twitter; or anybody who has ever been faulted for not, say, doing the dishes or any other common thing), but even by your standard there's a real problem here.
- flutas 4y ago
  > I disagree with your premise (as does Musk who is faulting Apple for NOT advertising on Twitter; or anybody who has ever been faulted for not, say, doing the dishes or any other common thing), but even by your standard there's a real problem here. Ignoring china/musk/etc in this argument, I just wanted to say that's not what's going on here. Apple isn't being called out for "not doing [X]" they are being called out for an action, changing their advertising strategy. Not doing the dishes as your example, is being called out for an inaction ("why won't they say they disagree with [X]") and not equivalent. If the example was "they started doing the dishes then quit" that would be a fair equivalent to this, as they actively performed an action. I think Russell's teapot is adjacent to this. The burden of proof is on the claimant, i.e. "they haven't publicly denounced [X]" is trying to shift the burden to the other party when it should be "through action {Z} they have shown they agree with [X]".
Dylan16807 4y ago
It depends on how many related topics they are talking about and usually talk about. And "weird" is a weak implication.