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From my experience, young attractive women in sales jobs often do very well. A very common job in this case is waitress. Attractive women are able to vastly o
by newsclues 4y ago
From my experience, young attractive women in sales jobs often do very well. A very common job in this case is waitress. Attractive women are able to vastly out earn the generally men working in the kitchen, by bringing food to a table and looking pretty.
Other sales roles have similar gender wage gaps.
And then there is Only Fans and sex work.
When it comes to some types of employment, most men just can't compete on looks with young attractive women.
- sam_lowry_ 4y agoHm... the looks of pretty recruiters sending me invites on LinkedIn make me want to switch jobs.
- mahmoudhossam 4y agoLinkedIn: Hot recruiters in your area
- throw0101c 4y agoMythbusters did a segment on this: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJ91FKZHI0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJ91FKZHI0
- nigerianbrince 4y ago> An average OnlyFans account makes about $150 per month
- tigeroil 4y agoI don't doubt this and I do reckon the average creator on OnlyFans makes a lot less than you'd think, especially from the outliers, but I'd be curious as to how this was calculated. I suspect there's a hell of a lot of inactive creators / ones with one or two followers for example.
- frankfrankfrank 4y agoIronically, it’s probably the same problem that men faced in dating, a tiny percentage of the top get all the attention while the rest languishes. Even more ironic, because I’m both cases it us about sex, and women control the sexual domain; women in both of these dynamics are squandering and running unrealized value. These dynamics are at extreme civilization ending levels, as sooner of us will surely experience first hand, likely sooner than we may think, because the effects are extremely lagging because there are several phases that must be stepped through before the terminal state becomes apparent.
- acdha 4y agoThose are common tropes in certain circles, but none of what you wrote is true as even a few moments of thinking about it analytically will confirm. For example, say that top 1% of attractive men are each maintaining 10 relationships - an absurdly high number - that might change things slightly for the top decile but does it really affect the median at all? There are some people who push this for political or marketing reasons (think about how much money Andrew Tate or Jordan Petersen have made this way) but a lot of it depends on selectively ignoring the evidence. All of the men who I’ve heard talk like this have some combination of unrealistic expectations (Elon Musk can party with rock stars because his wealth is measured in hundreds of billions; J. Random IT Worker needs to bring more to the table) or, almost universally, being unwilling to accept that their attitudes and politics were the underlying cause. This can be tragic where you know women who are looking for men who won’t rape them or treat them like NPCs and men who are convinced that the problem is their lack of abs, and the latter spend all of their time hanging out with other men telling them to treat women as NPCs and only considering the hottest people they know.
- OJFord 4y agoMuch as I'd like to stay out of this thread, I can't resist - that average includes both male and female account owners (of unknown distribution) right? (You haven't said otherwise.) So what does that say about GP's argument?
- ilyt 4y agoAnd average youtube account makes probably $2
- dagw 4y agoThat sounds much higher than I expected. I would expect the average OnlyFans account to make much much less than $150 over its lifetime. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of users make less than $20 total.
- tennisflyi 4y agoI've seen most are at a lose.
- recuter 4y ago> And then there is Only Fans and sex work. Ten years ago it was still unimaginable when talking about regular people, now completely normalized. Remarkable.
- lzooz 4y agoIt's not like Western society started degenerating ten years ago.
- stavros 4y agoDo you mean that sex is a product of a degenerate society? I'm not sure I can read your comment any other way, and it's interesting to see one comment say "it's amazing how quickly we've become accepting" and the reply being "we degenerated long before that".
- lezojeda 4y ago>Do you mean that sex is a product of a degenerate society? They never even hinted 'sex'. Probably sex work, from people who in other times had other job opportunities besides selling their body online. >Do you mean that sex is a product of a degenerate society? So, answering your question, widespread sex work, yes.
- stavros 4y agoOn the other hand, a society where sex work isn't stigmatized is less degenerate than one who is.
- recuter 4y agoHow about one where it is widely promoted?
- 988747 4y agoImagine government-run employment agency setting you up for a job interview at the brothel. And if you refuse that interview you lose your unemployment benefits, because you turned down perfectly legal job... That's reality for women in Germany, for example.
- Moissanite 4y agoThe same applies in tech, to a lesser degree. See, for example, the career trajectories of male versus female developer advocates of broadly similar skill level.
- itronitron 4y agoWenatchee doesn't have much going for it, so I wouldn't be surprised if waitresses and teachers are among the top earners. Caveat -> for those making 'reportable income'
- zozbot234 4y ago> When it comes to some types of employment, most men just can't compete on looks with young attractive women. It's not that hard. Hit the gym, stop eating junk food, dress smarter. You can do it too.
- paulcole 4y ago> women are able to vastly out earn the generally men working in the kitchen This isn’t because women outsell men or because of the attractiveness of a waitress. It’s because waitstaff are tipped and back of house employees (generally) are not. > young attractive women in sales jobs often do very well Young hot men also do very well in sales lol.
- dagw 4y agobecause of the attractiveness of a waitress. There is lots of research showing that the more attractive the customers find waitress the more they get tipped. Even straight women seem to tip attractive waitresses more.
- lakomen 4y agoTry live streaming. Because the audience is mostly male, females have a lot more viewers on average. Especially if they add innuendo.
- mysterydip 4y agoSee also the "hot tub" streaming controversy
- Spivak 4y agoBut all the biggest streamers are dudes? Like it’s not even close. You don’t hit a woman until #74. There’s definitely a market for PG-13 sex work in streaming and the most popular woman on Twitch is one of them but it’s definitely not more average viewers. She gets less than half the average viewers of the streamers close to her size, where she makes it up is that the people who do watch her watch her a lot.
- amiga386 4y agoCounterpoint: For Twitch in October 2022, there was only one woman in the top 100 streamers by hours watched: https://blog.streamelements.com/state-of-the-stream-for-october-2022-cdb20807683e https://blog.streamelements.com/state-of-the-stream-for-octo...
- luckylion 4y agoIs that also considering hours streamed? I don't know how twitch works, but from what I can tell on the public video list, the top female streamer had like 100 hours streamed in the past 60 days, while the top male streamer did that much in the past week (don't ask me how ... is it a collective? multiple 23/24 hours streams?). With 10x the streamed content, 7x the consumed content doesn't feel too crazy. The next male streamer has a similar profile, also doing pretty much daily streams. But maybe amouranth just deletes the videos after they're streamed? Again, I don't know how Twitch works.
- lakomen 4y agoI was talking about the average on average. IRL twitch streams, Jinny 6k viewers, CookSux 2-3k viewers, jaystreazy 2k viewers, robcdee 4k viewers. Bonnierabbit does one stream every now and then 10k. Amouranth literally does nothing, streams from home and lately "dating" streams, 7k low 16k usually. Japandyjones now that he's in Tokyo 1.5k viewers. Jakenbake in Tokyo 6k. If you're a woman in a mostly younger male audience platform you get the viewers. All you need is an attractive body and a nice dress. Ibabyrainbow 21 year old wearing braces showing off her body 1.5k viewers. I'm not into ASMR but holy crap licking microphones for "the ASMR" where the girls are dressed in tight dresses with perfect make up, where you can guess that the microphone is really a penis replacement. 100% female domain. How many want to see a guy licking a microphone? 5% most likely with the odd spike for curiosity. I'm saying on average the females have it easier to attract viewers, that is also the traditional female field. You don't have to provide content, your body is content. Idk if you have noticed that women mostly like to film themselves on stream because they know that the males watch them for their looks. Male cameras are mostly turned away from them filming their surroundings. As a male streamer you need special equipment, at least so they think, so you can stream in 1920×1080 with redundant modem and sim card setup, while female streamers don't bother with the weight and just use a 720p smartphone. There are of course always exceptions and I don't claim to be an expert. I've only been watching this field since this summer and those are my observations
- dagw 4y agoyoung attractive women in sales jobs often do very well. At every sales and sales adjacent job I've experienced the top salespeople where always men.
- solumunus 4y agoProbably because far more men than women pursue careers in sales. It seems common to have absolutely no women in a sales team.
- hotpotamus 4y agoI remember one salesman I talked to at an old job said he would team up with a woman he called "The Onion" because of the shape of her rear end, and he was able to close a lot of deals with her. So perhaps this is a place where a diverse team is more effective.
- belorn 4y agoIf both statements are true then that mean that women are choosing to not go into sales jobs despite being offered higher wages than men. This should lead us to ask the two following questions. A) Why are men choosing to go into sales if they are offered less than women for the same work? B) Are there other intrinsic values that sale jobs include or is not included that influence the job decision?
- newsclues 4y agoYou have never experienced a restaurant?
- dagw 4y agoWhile attractive women get more tips (according to some research), I'm not convinced they necessarily bring in more money to the restaurant owner, in general. Certain types of bars are probably an exception though. Either way I'm not really sure that counts as a sales job in a more general sense.
- ilyt 4y agoNot just looks and sex, try to even find male babysitter. People just assume woman is the role to raise children so naturally babysitter should be female.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y agoBabysitters are not generally the employment that comes to mind in moving the needle on an entire average income raising on a gender-wide scale.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoI would have assumed people think a woman has a lower probability of being a child abuser and/or higher probability of being able to provide the type of nurturing they want for their babies and toddlers, so they reject male caretakers.
- yucky 4y agoThe vast majority of child murders are perpetrated by women, not men. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4846035/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4846035/
- lotsofpulp 4y agoI do not think that study is relevant for assessing the risks of abuse from an unrelated adult man or woman being paid to take care of your child. >Mothers were identified as the perpetrators in all of the neonaticides and were the most common perpetrators overall (71.0%; 95% CI 63.9%, 77.2%).
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y agoWaitresses & sex work don’t really occur to me as the employment that comes to mind to move the needle in out earning men on a gender-wide level.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y agoWhy? Men work in restaurants too.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y agoWaitresses generally aren’t really considered wealthy careers that earn enough that would move the needle on the average wage of an entire gender.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y agoedit: heh, posted to the wrong comment.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y agoThis is why average is considered problematic, outliers severely skew the final number. What you're arguing, whether you realize it or not, is that equality is only important for the richest in society. I can't stand behind that, nor do I think most can.
- newsclues 4y agoAre we just trying to average out gender gaps, or should we try to make sure things are gender balanced and fair in all jobs?
- itronitron 4y agoDepends on the city and population demographics.
- tonmoy 4y agoThe article clearly points out education being the common denominator in areas they are talking about with data. Your anecdote about attractive women earning more has less weight IMO compared to the data presented in the article