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Why do you want to screw up the training data though? You have nothing to gain while making life a little harder for everyone.
by porphyra 4y ago
Why do you want to screw up the training data though? You have nothing to gain while making life a little harder for everyone.
- MontyCarloHall 4y agoThe cynic in me says because I resent being forced to help multi-billion dollar companies crowdsource their AI training. The techno-optimist in me says because I want to force them to improve their underlying models. When their engineers notice that their model struggles with weird edge cases that I purposefully mislabel (e.g. when prompted to select images containing motorcycles, I also pick a mountain bike with fat, motorcycle-sized tires), perhaps they will contemplate how to rigorously encode the concepts of “motorcycle” and “mountain bike” into their model, rather than simply pushing an abundance of training data through a black box classifier and hoping that by adding more crowdsourced data, it will eventually arrive at the right answer.
- jrm4 4y agoNot if you believe that the people working on this are going too fast and/or have a misguided goal. I think it's reasonable to believe that real self-driving cars are not inevitable, or even if they are, deliberate disruption of this process is healthy; e.g. it shouldn't rely on something this dumb.
- RockRobotRock 4y agoDo you really think reCaptcha data only benefits Waymo? What about Google Maps detecting stop lights? Or wheelchair ramps?
- ddtaylor 4y agoIf that is something important that we should rely on any company involved in that should be spending the readily available resources to do it correctly, not hoping that random people trying to log in to their email pick the correctly labeled data.
- jrm4 4y agoDon't you think that if this data was known to be widely and mostly beneficial, reCaptcha would be falling all over themselves to grab the good PR? The fact that regular folks hear virtually nothing about this strongly indicates that it's like most data collection -- if people knew the real deal they probably wouldn't happily sign on and would likely bring more questions than they want to deal with.
- RockRobotRock 4y agoNot really, non-tech people don't know or care about reCaptcha. I still think its evil for reCaptcha to be so prolific and used for data collection, but it's a positive side-effect that its also used for less evil things like labeling for data sets.
- jrm4 4y agoRight. But if it was mostly good, whoever reCaptcha is could raise/make boatloads of money with "you're not just practicing safe computing, you're helping save children's lives" type ads/fundraising.
- selfhoster11 4y agoThen they can pay for their own mechanical Turk labour, thank you very much. I will not be sponsoring a corporation out of the goodness of my heart, out of my own time. If I ever learn that they release that dataset to the public, my position on this may change.
- Fnoord 4y agoGoogle's training is involuntary and the training data is private. Only Google benefits from it (by providing the service "for free").
- lajosbacs 4y agoI doo this too, simply because I get angry when a multibillion company asks me to work for free for them. edit: I get twice as angry when I have to fill in captcha in a service that I pay for.
- teddyuk 4y agoas a challenge.