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What it is called when the US sells weapons to European countries that are connected to the US network, share data and can only be activated by US officials? S

What it is called when the US sells weapons to European countries that are connected to the US network, share data and can only be activated by US officials? Should their customers retaliate? "we can do it, you can't" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23052/foreign-f-35-users-spend-millions-to-stop-jets-computer-from-sharing-their-secrets https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23052/foreign-f-35-use...

woooooo 4y ago
It's called realpolitik.
sandworm101 4y ago
Its called digital rights management (DRM). Why should weapons systems be any different than consumer products in that regard?
wyuenho 4y ago
It's called the only 5th gen fighter jet Europe can buy
qeternity 4y ago
> "we can do it, you can't" Yes, exactly. The US knows full well how powerful that sort of control and access is, and other countries are (apparently) ok with that. The implicit social contract in the West is that the US maintains global peace anyway. Obviously the US (and other countries) do not have similar levels of trust and cooperation with China, hence these sort of responses.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  > Obviously the US (and other countries) do not have similar levels of trust and cooperation with China, hence these sort of responses. So now the US gets to decide who is worthy of becoming your friend? What's next?
  - surfpel 4y ago
    Now? That’s been the policy for probably longer than you’ve been alive. (Assuming you’re under the age of 70 or so)
  - kadoban 4y ago
    The US can decide who its allies are, other countries can do the same for themselves. What are you even objecting to here?
    - Kukumber 4y ago
      Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years? https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impact-of-us-sanctions-on-european-goods-a-closer-look/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac...
      - kadoban 4y ago
        > Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years? Only about a third of them. > https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impact-of-us-sanctions-on-european-goods-a-closer-look/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac... Sorry, I'm not following how that relates to really anything in the current conversation.
        Kukumber 4y ago
        the US promotes liberalism for others, but internally they promote their very own interests double face after blocking you from doing commerce with their enemies through multitudes of sanctions and lobbies, they'll start to punish you if you try to protect your interests To quote the article: "Washington announced on Wednesday (2 October) that it would hit European products with punitive tariffs worth $7.5 billion after receiving the green light from the World Trade Organization (WTO), following a 15-year legal battle between aircraft manufacturers Boeing and Airbus."
        4y ago
imgabe 4y ago
It’s called the US protecting its own interests. Yes, the US prioritizes itself over other countries, as every country does.
- bigbacaloa 4y ago
  That doesn't make it right.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - imgabe 4y ago
    Countries that compromise their own national security so that people can have some sort of warm fuzzy feelings about how nice and good they are don't get to continue existing as countries for very long.
- Normille 4y ago
  >Yes, the US prioritizes itself over other countries, as every country does. I agree. Most western nations [especially the EU and UK] prioritise the US over other countries. Oh. That wasn't what you meant by 'as every country does'?
71a54xd 4y ago
Exactly, why would you sell weapons to even an ally (who at some point could broker those weapons / IP to a near-pear adversary or grey area state) anywhere near as capable as your own? Obviously, when it comes to terrorist groups and broke eastern european nations the U.S. has made mistakes with this line of reasoning. Re: captured weapons in ukraine ending up on the black market...
- theli 4y ago
  I don't believe there has been any confirmation of weapons sent to Ukraine ending up on the black market or has there?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    I think there are so many weapons that it must occur (either by Russian capture or traitorous Ukrainians) but that should not deter the US and allies from sending as much as needed for Ukraine to expel their invaders.
  - 71a54xd 4y ago
    If Russia is bargaining with Iran trading "hundreds" of captured anti-tank weapons and guided artillery munitions... it doesn't take a genius to come to conclusions as to what other non-state affiliated actors are doing... Ukraine has also arrested a number of Ukrainians in known smuggling rings selling captured weapons on the black market [1]. [0] https://news.sky.com/story/russia-gave-eur140m-and-captured-western-weapons-to-iran-in-return-for-deadly-drones-source-claims-12741742#:~:text=source%20has%20claimed.-,A%20Russian%20military%20aircraft%20secretly%20transported%20the%20cash%20and%20three,condition%20of%20anonymity%20to%20share https://news.sky.com/story/russia-gave-eur140m-and-captured-... [1] https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-war-weapons-black-market-poland-eu-b1014282.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-war-weapons-bl...
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > If Russia is bargaining with Iran trading "hundreds" of captured anti-tank weapons and guided artillery munitions... it doesn't take a genius to come to conclusions as to what other non-state affiliated actors are doing... Im not seeing any sources saying that Russia is giving Iran hundreds of anti tank weapons? or guided artillery munitions?.
rgbrenner 4y ago
Your article is about a program to: "provide[s] F-35 international partners the capability to review and block messages to prevent sovereign data loss" and by adding this program, it will save our partners millions of dollars because they wont need to do this work themselves (which they knew they needed to do because the ALIS program was part of the plane and disclosed in its specs when they bought it). I feel like you skimmed this article, and thought it was about something nefarious... so added it to your post because you thought it confirmed what you already thought.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  No, it's the proper article that talks about its capabilities, it's food for thought, the "official" line, to avoid any conflict of interest when you develop your opinion, otherwise i am taxed as "conspiracy theorist" And that's just for the future ones, and it only covers the front end, i let you imagine what other systems are over there, including what's int their auto-pilot system
totalZero 4y ago
I think some information is lost in the comparison between fighter aircraft and home security cameras.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Dahuas market is primarily B2B
anon291 4y ago
As an American, I call that stupid on behalf of Europe. Doesn't mean I want my country making the same mistake with China. If you're a European, I would support parties that cared about your own national interests, instead of kowtowing to America. However I am an American, so I can't change Europe.

woooooo 4y ago

It's called realpolitik.

sandworm101 4y ago

Its called digital rights management (DRM). Why should weapons systems be any different than consumer products in that regard?

wyuenho 4y ago

It's called the only 5th gen fighter jet Europe can buy

qeternity 4y ago

> "we can do it, you can't" Yes, exactly. The US knows full well how powerful that sort of control and access is, and other countries are (apparently) ok with that. The implicit social contract in the West is that the US maintains global peace anyway. Obviously the US (and other countries) do not have similar levels of trust and cooperation with China, hence these sort of responses.

Kukumber 4y ago
> Obviously the US (and other countries) do not have similar levels of trust and cooperation with China, hence these sort of responses. So now the US gets to decide who is worthy of becoming your friend? What's next?
- surfpel 4y ago
  Now? That’s been the policy for probably longer than you’ve been alive. (Assuming you’re under the age of 70 or so)
- kadoban 4y ago
  The US can decide who its allies are, other countries can do the same for themselves. What are you even objecting to here?
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years? https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impact-of-us-sanctions-on-european-goods-a-closer-look/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac...
    - kadoban 4y ago
      > Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years? Only about a third of them. > https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impact-of-us-sanctions-on-european-goods-a-closer-look/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac... Sorry, I'm not following how that relates to really anything in the current conversation.
      - Kukumber 4y ago
        the US promotes liberalism for others, but internally they promote their very own interests double face after blocking you from doing commerce with their enemies through multitudes of sanctions and lobbies, they'll start to punish you if you try to protect your interests To quote the article: "Washington announced on Wednesday (2 October) that it would hit European products with punitive tariffs worth $7.5 billion after receiving the green light from the World Trade Organization (WTO), following a 15-year legal battle between aircraft manufacturers Boeing and Airbus."
        4y ago

imgabe 4y ago

It’s called the US protecting its own interests. Yes, the US prioritizes itself over other countries, as every country does.

bigbacaloa 4y ago
That doesn't make it right.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- imgabe 4y ago
  Countries that compromise their own national security so that people can have some sort of warm fuzzy feelings about how nice and good they are don't get to continue existing as countries for very long.
Normille 4y ago
>Yes, the US prioritizes itself over other countries, as every country does. I agree. Most western nations [especially the EU and UK] prioritise the US over other countries. Oh. That wasn't what you meant by 'as every country does'?

71a54xd 4y ago

Exactly, why would you sell weapons to even an ally (who at some point could broker those weapons / IP to a near-pear adversary or grey area state) anywhere near as capable as your own? Obviously, when it comes to terrorist groups and broke eastern european nations the U.S. has made mistakes with this line of reasoning. Re: captured weapons in ukraine ending up on the black market...

theli 4y ago
I don't believe there has been any confirmation of weapons sent to Ukraine ending up on the black market or has there?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  I think there are so many weapons that it must occur (either by Russian capture or traitorous Ukrainians) but that should not deter the US and allies from sending as much as needed for Ukraine to expel their invaders.
- 71a54xd 4y ago
  If Russia is bargaining with Iran trading "hundreds" of captured anti-tank weapons and guided artillery munitions... it doesn't take a genius to come to conclusions as to what other non-state affiliated actors are doing... Ukraine has also arrested a number of Ukrainians in known smuggling rings selling captured weapons on the black market [1]. [0] https://news.sky.com/story/russia-gave-eur140m-and-captured-western-weapons-to-iran-in-return-for-deadly-drones-source-claims-12741742#:~:text=source%20has%20claimed.-,A%20Russian%20military%20aircraft%20secretly%20transported%20the%20cash%20and%20three,condition%20of%20anonymity%20to%20share https://news.sky.com/story/russia-gave-eur140m-and-captured-... [1] https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-war-weapons-black-market-poland-eu-b1014282.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-war-weapons-bl...
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > If Russia is bargaining with Iran trading "hundreds" of captured anti-tank weapons and guided artillery munitions... it doesn't take a genius to come to conclusions as to what other non-state affiliated actors are doing... Im not seeing any sources saying that Russia is giving Iran hundreds of anti tank weapons? or guided artillery munitions?.

rgbrenner 4y ago

Your article is about a program to: "provide[s] F-35 international partners the capability to review and block messages to prevent sovereign data loss" and by adding this program, it will save our partners millions of dollars because they wont need to do this work themselves (which they knew they needed to do because the ALIS program was part of the plane and disclosed in its specs when they bought it). I feel like you skimmed this article, and thought it was about something nefarious... so added it to your post because you thought it confirmed what you already thought.

Kukumber 4y ago
No, it's the proper article that talks about its capabilities, it's food for thought, the "official" line, to avoid any conflict of interest when you develop your opinion, otherwise i am taxed as "conspiracy theorist" And that's just for the future ones, and it only covers the front end, i let you imagine what other systems are over there, including what's int their auto-pilot system

totalZero 4y ago

I think some information is lost in the comparison between fighter aircraft and home security cameras.

kube-system 4y ago
Dahuas market is primarily B2B

anon291 4y ago

As an American, I call that stupid on behalf of Europe. Doesn't mean I want my country making the same mistake with China. If you're a European, I would support parties that cared about your own national interests, instead of kowtowing to America. However I am an American, so I can't change Europe.