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People think this will hurt MS, but in reality it will also make doing business in Europe more expensive. Almost all big companies use M365. It will keep these
by baxtr 4y ago
People think this will hurt MS, but in reality it will also make doing business in Europe more expensive. Almost all big companies use M365.
It will keep these already slow organizations busy trying to find and implement alternatives. Instead they could focus on growing their businesses.
Good luck Europe.
- xwolfi 4y agoWell Im european and I can tell you from the inside, it's not the same mindset at all. We dont want to grow companies, in fact we barely give a fuck at all. It s hard to understand for capitalists, and I disliked this mindset so much I moved to Hong Kong, but that s what the people vote for: they d rather have no growth and no Microsoft 365 than put their data there. People in most of Europe are truly convinced finance, money and growth are mirages made to enslave them in eternal pursuit of an unreachable state, and instead prefer to cool it down. It's not a pragmatic strategy because it ignores we re not alone.
- baxtr 4y agoI’m also European. Thanks for the insight. I don’t agree with you. So think about that next time you say “most Europeans”.
- admissionsguy 4y agoI am an European, too, and I do agree with xwolfi. Therefore "most European" is an accurate statement.
- baxtr 4y agoYeah. It’s called the European way of doing stats.
- tomrod 4y agoWhat's funny is that many Europeans I have spoken with from across the continent have the attitude that you come to the US when you are young to make money then retire to Europe to take advantage of the social safety net. Perhaps not yoir personal opinion, but definitely one that is anecdotally common among white collar workers.
- calculated 4y ago@tomrod is completely right. Here in Bulgaria people have this exact mindset. Some also might just never return.
- tomrod 4y agoIndeed. I've heard it from Serbians, Bulgarians, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, German, Italian, Romanian, and Belgian folks that I can recall offhand, maybe more that I'm not completely recalling.
- calculated 4y agoI'm actually surprised of this since I've always though of Sweeden, Germany, Italy, Belgium as very good countries. I can only speak for bulgarians as I know how the mass thinks here.
- mantas 4y agoMaybe they’re good precisely because of this mindset?
- api 4y agoThat’s very unsustainable for Europe and great for the US since the latter gets the most productive years.
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- croes 4y agoJust because you disagree doesn't contradict "most Europeans". Or how many are you?
- baxtr 4y agoThat was exactly my point.
- xwolfi 4y agoIt's a vast place, maybe you're german. They're pragmatic and care about work, efficiency, building stuff, growing companies. I'm French, the motherland is a constant source of sad despair for me.
- admissionsguy 4y ago> It's not a pragmatic strategy because it ignores we re not alone. It's worse than that, it's delusional and hypocritical. Here in Sweden people will proudly write "We are not like the Americans" on their iPhones, drive Teslas and generally base their whole lifestyles on the foundation created by the American capitalism and possible thanks to the protection of US military.
- thrwawy74 4y agoI don't disagree that finding alternatives will be expensive, but I think this is the same harmful thinking we have in the US where people disagree with regulation that adds necessary protection at the cost of business. So we have a "regulation is bad" mindset. Most prominently I wish we could convince companies here to believe handling/retaining unnecessary data is like handling something radioactive. Until we convince these companies it's a danger to themself, we won't see change. Sure, in the near future US companies will have an advantage continuing to use Microsoft 365, but harm to our privacy and beyond that is demonstrable. I haven't used a computer like its my own private space to think in decades because of what I know is collected with telemetry. My creativity and passion for computing is harmed by what Microsoft engineers its products to do, and glean from my daily use. If Microsoft wants access to a large customer base in Europe, they should make changes to their products that respect consumer privacy laws in that area. I hope we benefit tangentially. Something-something auto makers conform to California emission laws, same argument.
- baxtr 4y agoI am not even sure where to start. What are we afraid of? What can happen with the data? In Sweden all tax filings are public. No one cares.
- pixl97 4y agoSo let me ask, are you OK sharing all your work documents with China or Russia? The US commonly uses corporate data in geopolitical moves. Buy using Microsoft cloud products you're sharing all your data with us.gov
- kklisura 4y agoHave you been paying attention to all the TikTok scare in the US? Lot of people care.
- pibechorro 4y ago
- viraptor 4y ago> Almost all big companies use M365. I think that's a bit more nuanced. There's definitely a lot of "nobody gets fired for MS", and lots of big companies use O365 because of existing licenses. At the same time, there's lots of small companies using Google suite. There are companies relying on specialised software. There's lots of those that don't use anything beyond a simple text editor where switching is trivial. And yeah, huge companies rely on O365, but those will get fixes that get them to compliance very soon.
- api 4y agoGoogle suite is the absolute worst thing you can use for privacy. Every keystroke that comes near Google is data mined.
- croes 4y agoWe'll wait and see when the next MS security appears. How many data was copied because of the MS chain of Windows->Exchange->Office?