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> To deconstruct the social relation as such, one would need to catalog federal, state, and local code to identify which clauses establish houses, apartments, c

> To deconstruct the social relation as such, one would need to catalog federal, state, and local code to identify which clauses establish houses, apartments, condos, etc as private property and remove them So if I purchased or built a house with my work, then it is not longer mine? > If this sounds terrible to you, please refer to the first clause of this comment. Which is "Ignoring all other factors, it's quite easy" Exactly, this works only in imagination land. Thanks for ignoring my links to CCP China where they exactly followed what you prescribed and ended up killing landlords. Summarizing, there is a problem X (= housing), scientists say solution is Y (= more supply). But common folks say solution is Z (= confiscation of other's labor and property). Z has been attempted in other societies for X and always resulted in bloodshed. I ask how can this not happen again if we follow Z and I get a response that is just a slightly more detailed plan for Z.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
I feel a lot less for landlords than I do for people who die from lack of housing at all. The former could simply choose to not be landlords, the latter cannot simply choose to live in a house. The question was how to get rid of landlords, I answered that. What I'm attempting to dispel is the myth that landlords are some fundamental aspect of nature or reality - they aren't. Landlords are a product of a specific form of ownership and the legal structure that supports it. Those two things are choices even if they seem to you they aren't.
ilyt 4y ago
> > To deconstruct the social relation as such, one would need to catalog federal, state, and local code to identify which clauses establish houses, apartments, condos, etc as private property and remove them > So if I purchased or built a house with my work, then it is not longer mine? Well, the criterium to become landlord is not "purchased your own home" but "convince bank to give you mortgage" then just charge more than mortgage costs you. It is essentially passive income with little to no effort put once you get above certain level of wealth
- chii 4y ago
  > once you get above certain level of wealth which took effort to obtain - either by sacrificing consumption, or by working more or doing more valuable work. The banks' mortgage is the fact that there's evidence that you have the productivity to service said mortgage. If you cannot show evidence that such a mortgage can be serviced, the bank will not lend you money. Lending isn't free - there's risk involved. Calling it passive income with little to no effort is just hiding the work that went on previously. You only see the results, and not the work that went into achieving it.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

I feel a lot less for landlords than I do for people who die from lack of housing at all. The former could simply choose to not be landlords, the latter cannot simply choose to live in a house. The question was how to get rid of landlords, I answered that. What I'm attempting to dispel is the myth that landlords are some fundamental aspect of nature or reality - they aren't. Landlords are a product of a specific form of ownership and the legal structure that supports it. Those two things are choices even if they seem to you they aren't.

ilyt 4y ago

> > To deconstruct the social relation as such, one would need to catalog federal, state, and local code to identify which clauses establish houses, apartments, condos, etc as private property and remove them > So if I purchased or built a house with my work, then it is not longer mine? Well, the criterium to become landlord is not "purchased your own home" but "convince bank to give you mortgage" then just charge more than mortgage costs you. It is essentially passive income with little to no effort put once you get above certain level of wealth

chii 4y ago
> once you get above certain level of wealth which took effort to obtain - either by sacrificing consumption, or by working more or doing more valuable work. The banks' mortgage is the fact that there's evidence that you have the productivity to service said mortgage. If you cannot show evidence that such a mortgage can be serviced, the bank will not lend you money. Lending isn't free - there's risk involved. Calling it passive income with little to no effort is just hiding the work that went on previously. You only see the results, and not the work that went into achieving it.