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Are you saying that as a lawyer experienced in this area of law and location... or like my dad dispenses legal advice, because "it's obviously true (to him)"?

Are you saying that as a lawyer experienced in this area of law and location... or like my dad dispenses legal advice, because "it's obviously true (to him)"? The OP quoted written Apple policy. If you want to persuasively negate it, it should have more than "Nope!" in response.

crazygringo 4y ago
Let's put it this way: in reality, how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? Obviously it can't. So in practice, which is all that matters, it can never void your warranty. And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. Otherwise Apple would use a proprietary connector on its charger, which it has never done. So let's just stay in the realm of common sense here, OK? :) No need to be demanding whether someone is a lawyer, sheesh.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  Fair enough; I should have said "as someone with legal expertise in this area", not "as a lawyer". But I DO believe it's important to distinguish when one is dispensing legal experience (even if not advice), vs "common sense". Different people will have different preferences and fair enough, but for what little it may be worth, I tend to come to HN to read about (ridiculously frequent and that's what makes this place wonderful!:) people's experience in obscure areas ("I read that article and I worked on Apollo software, here's how it works!" "Yeah, my experience in 2km hole drilling is different...", "CRISPR is great but here's the extremely obscure yet fascinating cutting edge biotechnology area I'm working on" etc), less so about common sense exchange :-)
- twawaaay 4y ago
  > And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. What the stated purpose is is irrelevant. The reality is that not all usb devices or even cables are the same. If you don't buy Apple charger and cable you might be sorrily disappointed your phone charges at glacial speeds with the one that was laying around your house and worked perfectly for another device. And if you don't know the many charging standards you might conclude the only way to resolve the issue is to actually buy Apple cable and charger. My wife can't even name various USB connectors when she asks me if I have so and so cable. Forget about charging or transmission standards, this is something she cannot grasp. For her if the connectors fit they should be working properly. I also am of the same opinion but I also know that it is not how it works in reality.
- cesarb 4y ago
  > how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? I don't know if they do it, but it's very easy to have a communication channel between the device and the charger. For instance, my Dell laptop knows whether it's being used with a 65W charger or with a 90W charger, even though the plug and the voltage is the same in both cases.
  - wisnoskij 4y ago
    They dont need to know. Famously apple used to deny warranty claims if their moisture sensor tripped. All they will do if see if the internal PSU is melted and say you used a offbrand charger, and that is your fault.
- wisnoskij 4y ago
  > And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. That does not seem to be true. The standard is a lot more complicated than it used to be, but even back with micro amount of amps a charger can push varied wildly, I have seem chargers that could not even push more than what a device uses while on. But like I said, it is even more complicated now. The rPI4 at launch with the brand new usbc power supply system only worked with specific chargers not because of amp limits but because the usbc spec. Also this is ignoring the elephant in the room of the serious threat of cheap poorly made chargers that fry devices. Apple will not replace your device, or your house, if you buy some 10c charger from alibaba that catches fire the second you plug it in.

crazygringo 4y ago

Let's put it this way: in reality, how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? Obviously it can't. So in practice, which is all that matters, it can never void your warranty. And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. Otherwise Apple would use a proprietary connector on its charger, which it has never done. So let's just stay in the realm of common sense here, OK? :) No need to be demanding whether someone is a lawyer, sheesh.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
Fair enough; I should have said "as someone with legal expertise in this area", not "as a lawyer". But I DO believe it's important to distinguish when one is dispensing legal experience (even if not advice), vs "common sense". Different people will have different preferences and fair enough, but for what little it may be worth, I tend to come to HN to read about (ridiculously frequent and that's what makes this place wonderful!:) people's experience in obscure areas ("I read that article and I worked on Apollo software, here's how it works!" "Yeah, my experience in 2km hole drilling is different...", "CRISPR is great but here's the extremely obscure yet fascinating cutting edge biotechnology area I'm working on" etc), less so about common sense exchange :-)
twawaaay 4y ago
> And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. What the stated purpose is is irrelevant. The reality is that not all usb devices or even cables are the same. If you don't buy Apple charger and cable you might be sorrily disappointed your phone charges at glacial speeds with the one that was laying around your house and worked perfectly for another device. And if you don't know the many charging standards you might conclude the only way to resolve the issue is to actually buy Apple cable and charger. My wife can't even name various USB connectors when she asks me if I have so and so cable. Forget about charging or transmission standards, this is something she cannot grasp. For her if the connectors fit they should be working properly. I also am of the same opinion but I also know that it is not how it works in reality.
cesarb 4y ago
> how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? I don't know if they do it, but it's very easy to have a communication channel between the device and the charger. For instance, my Dell laptop knows whether it's being used with a 65W charger or with a 90W charger, even though the plug and the voltage is the same in both cases.
- wisnoskij 4y ago
  They dont need to know. Famously apple used to deny warranty claims if their moisture sensor tripped. All they will do if see if the internal PSU is melted and say you used a offbrand charger, and that is your fault.
wisnoskij 4y ago
> And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. That does not seem to be true. The standard is a lot more complicated than it used to be, but even back with micro amount of amps a charger can push varied wildly, I have seem chargers that could not even push more than what a device uses while on. But like I said, it is even more complicated now. The rPI4 at launch with the brand new usbc power supply system only worked with specific chargers not because of amp limits but because the usbc spec. Also this is ignoring the elephant in the room of the serious threat of cheap poorly made chargers that fry devices. Apple will not replace your device, or your house, if you buy some 10c charger from alibaba that catches fire the second you plug it in.