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Apologies, but your reading of the situation is shallow. What do you think led Vlad to invade? The US has been mounting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine

Apologies, but your reading of the situation is shallow. What do you think led Vlad to invade? The US has been mounting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine for the past 20 years, one they're ready - barring political upheaval in the US - to fight down to the last European.

pjc50 4y ago
Overconfidence and a need for an external enemy? Satanism? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/nato-nazis-satanists-putin-is-running-out-of-excuses-for-his-imperial-war/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/nato-nazi... > proxy war against Russia in Ukraine To a certain extent this is true, but the Ukranians have been very keen on it as they've benefited from not being a puppet state run by a corrupt president who built himself a huge palace. And Russia has no right to be "in" Ukraine in the first place.
_kbh_ 4y ago
> What do you think led Vlad to invade? There are vast natural resources in Ukraine which threatens Russias place as the gas station to the world. They also have imperialistic ambitions to try and restore what they see as the glory days of the USSR.
Isinlor 4y ago
Polish and Ukrainian economies were exactly the same size in 1991 after collapse of the Soviet Union. In 2021 Polish economy was 3 times bigger than Ukrainian and almost 2 millions of Ukrainians emigrated to Poland for work. Very clearly Poland done some things right, while Ukraine did not. The one important thing that we have done right appears to be immediate turning towards West after collapsing communist regime in 1989. Joining NATO and EU. Poland never wanted to be in the Russian sphere of influence. We have spilled rivers of blood in countless wars, uprisings and protests against Russian imperialism in past 300 years. Ukraine means "borderland". Historically Ukraine was in a constant state of wars between Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Swedish Empire and Russian Empire since before USA even existed. So, historically Ukraine was always split between West and East. All regions of Ukraine very clearly wanted independence in 1991. But modern Western Ukraine wanted to join EU and follow Polish path to prosperity. That's why Maidan protests started in late 2013. Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed in a false story that Ukrainians wanted to be Little-Russians fed to him by FSB agents (KGB successor). And in order to keep Ukrainians from the Western path to prosperity. Ukraine as prosperous as Poland, meaning more prosperous than Russia, would threaten his regime and Russian idea of greatness. But Russian speaking Ukrainians sympathetic to Russia never asked for their whole lives to be upended and to be bombed by Russia into oblivion. Ukraine is no longer split. This war is their war of independence, true nation forming event. Their new found hatred towards Russia and Russians is enormous and that leaves them with the only other direction - towards West.
- 988747 4y ago
  > Ukraine means "borderland". Historically Ukraine was in a constant state of wars between Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Swedish Empire and Russian Empire since before USA even existed. Don't forget Turkey. Ukraine was also invaded by Turks and Tatars many times.
- KptMarchewa 4y ago
  Your analysis is on point, except for one thing: >Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed in a false story that Ukrainians wanted to be Little-Russians fed to him by FSB agents (KGB successor). I don't think he really believed in an real enthusiasm, but rather passiveness and complacency that characterized "Great-Russians" under his regime. >But Russian speaking Ukrainians sympathetic to Russia never asked for their whole lives to be upended and to be bombed by Russia into oblivion. That's a giant point not even touched once by trolls that love to share 2012 Ukraine election results. There's massive difference between believing that Ukraine needs to ally with Russia, there are cultural ties and similar points, and wishing for literal invasion of your country by foreign empire.
hardlianotion 4y ago
Much more knowledgeable people than I am suggest that the reasons include nostalgia for empire, and the acute fear that near-Russia is not defensible if states like Ukraine are not controlled up to the nearest natural defensible barrier. Modern Russia appears to have a mortal fear of being invaded that is a little perplexing to the modern European.
- KptMarchewa 4y ago
  >Modern Russia appears to have a mortal fear of being invaded that is a little perplexing to the modern European. This is a media deflection. They massively blow this up with Ukraine but literally do nothing when Sweden and Finland joins. What putin really fears, is free, rich and democratic country in which large parts of population speak russian language. The masses can't be placated if "the same people" live better lives than under mafia regime. That's why russia spend last 30 years undermining free Ukraine and ensuring their hold on Belarus.
dmitriid 4y ago
> What do you think led Vlad to invade? Any combination of (in no particular order): - paranoia - phantom empire pains - complete and utter failure to produce anything of note on ideological level except "we're a great empire that is surrounded strictly by enemies". - waning economy with no means, desire, or knowledge to maintain or support it > The US has been mounting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine for the past 20 years No on has done more to alienate Russia from its closest neighbours more than Russia itself.
- KptMarchewa 4y ago
  >- complete and utter failure to produce anything of note on ideological level except "we're a great empire that is surrounded strictly by enemies". You forgot one thing: WW2 victory cult. Americans who claim that their country overtly glorifies the military would be shocked how insanely militaristic and jingoistic russia is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdGX3-e97s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdGX3-e97s
imtringued 4y ago
Putin wants to extract oil in Ukraine or at least prevent Ukraine from extracting it's oil to prevent competition?
- pjc50 4y ago
  Is there that much unextracted oil there? I thought it was more concentrated in Azerbaijan. (the Azeri/Armenian war gets almost no attention)

pjc50 4y ago

Overconfidence and a need for an external enemy? Satanism? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/nato-nazis-satanists-putin-is-running-out-of-excuses-for-his-imperial-war/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/nato-nazi... > proxy war against Russia in Ukraine To a certain extent this is true, but the Ukranians have been very keen on it as they've benefited from not being a puppet state run by a corrupt president who built himself a huge palace. And Russia has no right to be "in" Ukraine in the first place.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> What do you think led Vlad to invade? There are vast natural resources in Ukraine which threatens Russias place as the gas station to the world. They also have imperialistic ambitions to try and restore what they see as the glory days of the USSR.

Isinlor 4y ago

Polish and Ukrainian economies were exactly the same size in 1991 after collapse of the Soviet Union. In 2021 Polish economy was 3 times bigger than Ukrainian and almost 2 millions of Ukrainians emigrated to Poland for work. Very clearly Poland done some things right, while Ukraine did not. The one important thing that we have done right appears to be immediate turning towards West after collapsing communist regime in 1989. Joining NATO and EU. Poland never wanted to be in the Russian sphere of influence. We have spilled rivers of blood in countless wars, uprisings and protests against Russian imperialism in past 300 years. Ukraine means "borderland". Historically Ukraine was in a constant state of wars between Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Swedish Empire and Russian Empire since before USA even existed. So, historically Ukraine was always split between West and East. All regions of Ukraine very clearly wanted independence in 1991. But modern Western Ukraine wanted to join EU and follow Polish path to prosperity. That's why Maidan protests started in late 2013. Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed in a false story that Ukrainians wanted to be Little-Russians fed to him by FSB agents (KGB successor). And in order to keep Ukrainians from the Western path to prosperity. Ukraine as prosperous as Poland, meaning more prosperous than Russia, would threaten his regime and Russian idea of greatness. But Russian speaking Ukrainians sympathetic to Russia never asked for their whole lives to be upended and to be bombed by Russia into oblivion. Ukraine is no longer split. This war is their war of independence, true nation forming event. Their new found hatred towards Russia and Russians is enormous and that leaves them with the only other direction - towards West.

988747 4y ago
> Ukraine means "borderland". Historically Ukraine was in a constant state of wars between Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Swedish Empire and Russian Empire since before USA even existed. Don't forget Turkey. Ukraine was also invaded by Turks and Tatars many times.
KptMarchewa 4y ago
Your analysis is on point, except for one thing: >Putin invaded Ukraine because he believed in a false story that Ukrainians wanted to be Little-Russians fed to him by FSB agents (KGB successor). I don't think he really believed in an real enthusiasm, but rather passiveness and complacency that characterized "Great-Russians" under his regime. >But Russian speaking Ukrainians sympathetic to Russia never asked for their whole lives to be upended and to be bombed by Russia into oblivion. That's a giant point not even touched once by trolls that love to share 2012 Ukraine election results. There's massive difference between believing that Ukraine needs to ally with Russia, there are cultural ties and similar points, and wishing for literal invasion of your country by foreign empire.

hardlianotion 4y ago

Much more knowledgeable people than I am suggest that the reasons include nostalgia for empire, and the acute fear that near-Russia is not defensible if states like Ukraine are not controlled up to the nearest natural defensible barrier. Modern Russia appears to have a mortal fear of being invaded that is a little perplexing to the modern European.

KptMarchewa 4y ago
>Modern Russia appears to have a mortal fear of being invaded that is a little perplexing to the modern European. This is a media deflection. They massively blow this up with Ukraine but literally do nothing when Sweden and Finland joins. What putin really fears, is free, rich and democratic country in which large parts of population speak russian language. The masses can't be placated if "the same people" live better lives than under mafia regime. That's why russia spend last 30 years undermining free Ukraine and ensuring their hold on Belarus.

dmitriid 4y ago

> What do you think led Vlad to invade? Any combination of (in no particular order): - paranoia - phantom empire pains - complete and utter failure to produce anything of note on ideological level except "we're a great empire that is surrounded strictly by enemies". - waning economy with no means, desire, or knowledge to maintain or support it > The US has been mounting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine for the past 20 years No on has done more to alienate Russia from its closest neighbours more than Russia itself.

KptMarchewa 4y ago
>- complete and utter failure to produce anything of note on ideological level except "we're a great empire that is surrounded strictly by enemies". You forgot one thing: WW2 victory cult. Americans who claim that their country overtly glorifies the military would be shocked how insanely militaristic and jingoistic russia is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdGX3-e97s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdGX3-e97s

imtringued 4y ago

Putin wants to extract oil in Ukraine or at least prevent Ukraine from extracting it's oil to prevent competition?

pjc50 4y ago
Is there that much unextracted oil there? I thought it was more concentrated in Azerbaijan. (the Azeri/Armenian war gets almost no attention)