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Apple's aggressive patent strategy is really turning me off; as it should for other people as well. I hope this is understand not only by the Tech community, bu

Apple's aggressive patent strategy is really turning me off; as it should for other people as well. I hope this is understand not only by the Tech community, but also average consumers. I don't know their claims, but given the past, this is getting out of hand. Last month, I would have said that I would consider buying an Ipod because it is a great product; but because of the past events, I would not consider buying an Apple product whatsoever. Man up, Apple. You are going to have competitors in the mobile and tablet industry. Stop trying to cop out with all this patent crap.

barkingllama 15y ago
You can only hope that Apple is being as obnoxious as possible to spark interest in patent reform.
- scottmp10 15y ago
  Unfortunately this is clearly not the case. There actions are clearly harming both competitors (Samsung, etc) and consumers (through less consumer choice in the tablet market).
  - admiralpumpkin 15y ago
    So your implied argument is that patents hurt consumers because they don't allow one company's patented innovations to be used without restriction by other companies? Your view is that the limit of one's benefit from an innovation should be the time between when one releases an innovative product and when your competitors release copy-cat products?
    - Hyena 15y ago
      Unless you're spending immense amounts of R&D, that tends not to be as severe a problem as constricting development because of patent thickets or creating aggregately large legal problems (Lodsys, et al).
    - joe_the_user 15y ago
      A patent system that has most of its connection to actual innovation definitely hurts consumers. Apple's claims against the Android tablets have been shown here to involve something like the claim that Apple invented the tablet, something that's also been debunked here.
    - Natsu 15y ago
      Motorola Mobility can get an injunction blocking Apple products in Germany banning the iPad. What good would it do if we could have no tablets at all, because they each violate each others' patents over trivial things? Seriously, one of the patents is over automatic linking. Okay, it covers something more general, actually, but that's the embodiment that's the most recognizable.
    - scottmp10 15y ago
      I see what you are saying and I think there are short-term and long-term consequences. Certainly an injunction hurts consumers in the short-term since they have less choice. The patent-advocate would argue that in the long-term this model rewards innovators more and thus more people invest in innovation, helping consumers over the long term. You are correct that my personal opinion is in favor of no patent protection. However my original point was that Apple's patent actions have had significant short-term impact that hurts consumers. You can certainly make an argument that there is a long-term positive impact, but I do not believe that Apple is in any way harming the patent system itself.
- thebrokencube 15y ago
  That's a pretty interesting point of view, one I never even considered. One can only hope.
neuroelectronic 15y ago
A lot of Apple zealots are siding with them, saying that other tablet makers are directly ripping them off. I imagine a lot of the people who hold this position have never used a computer before their iPhone. "All cellphone makers enforce their patents - all of them. Further, patent enforcement is critical to technological development. Companies will stop investing in R&D if others can simply wait for the product to come out, copy it and avoid all the costs associated with inventing it."

barkingllama 15y ago

You can only hope that Apple is being as obnoxious as possible to spark interest in patent reform.

scottmp10 15y ago
Unfortunately this is clearly not the case. There actions are clearly harming both competitors (Samsung, etc) and consumers (through less consumer choice in the tablet market).
- admiralpumpkin 15y ago
  So your implied argument is that patents hurt consumers because they don't allow one company's patented innovations to be used without restriction by other companies? Your view is that the limit of one's benefit from an innovation should be the time between when one releases an innovative product and when your competitors release copy-cat products?
  - Hyena 15y ago
    Unless you're spending immense amounts of R&D, that tends not to be as severe a problem as constricting development because of patent thickets or creating aggregately large legal problems (Lodsys, et al).
  - joe_the_user 15y ago
    A patent system that has most of its connection to actual innovation definitely hurts consumers. Apple's claims against the Android tablets have been shown here to involve something like the claim that Apple invented the tablet, something that's also been debunked here.
  - Natsu 15y ago
    Motorola Mobility can get an injunction blocking Apple products in Germany banning the iPad. What good would it do if we could have no tablets at all, because they each violate each others' patents over trivial things? Seriously, one of the patents is over automatic linking. Okay, it covers something more general, actually, but that's the embodiment that's the most recognizable.
  - scottmp10 15y ago
    I see what you are saying and I think there are short-term and long-term consequences. Certainly an injunction hurts consumers in the short-term since they have less choice. The patent-advocate would argue that in the long-term this model rewards innovators more and thus more people invest in innovation, helping consumers over the long term. You are correct that my personal opinion is in favor of no patent protection. However my original point was that Apple's patent actions have had significant short-term impact that hurts consumers. You can certainly make an argument that there is a long-term positive impact, but I do not believe that Apple is in any way harming the patent system itself.
thebrokencube 15y ago
That's a pretty interesting point of view, one I never even considered. One can only hope.

neuroelectronic 15y ago

A lot of Apple zealots are siding with them, saying that other tablet makers are directly ripping them off. I imagine a lot of the people who hold this position have never used a computer before their iPhone. "All cellphone makers enforce their patents - all of them. Further, patent enforcement is critical to technological development. Companies will stop investing in R&D if others can simply wait for the product to come out, copy it and avoid all the costs associated with inventing it."