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I was surprised when I heard that US spied on phone calls of the European leaders such as Merkle. It’s shows how far ahead is US in technology. Also, surprised

by aborsy 4y ago

I was surprised when I heard that US spied on phone calls of the European leaders such as Merkle. It’s shows how far ahead is US in technology. Also, surprised that French president apparently used an ordinary phone susceptible to Pegasus hacking til last year.

psychphysic 4y ago
> I was surprised when I heard that US spied on phone calls of the European leaders such as Merkle. I wasn't sure who to be more embarrassed for. Doing it to such a significant ally is shameful, having it done to you by an ally possibly worse.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Can’t know if they’re really any ally or not if you aren’t spying on them, can you!
  - psychphysic 4y ago
    I've just read an article on the topic[0] as I was so fuzzy on the details. It's much worse than I remembered. I never really saw the importance of Snowden but he should be a modern day democracy saint after blowing the lid on this type of surveillance. [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...
Kukumber 4y ago
It has nothing to do with technologies, it had to do with trust and negligence, or perhaps a trap ;), both France and Germany are properly equipped when it comes to real "tech", and not just consumer tech
- nix23 4y ago
  Yep, like Merkle said "friends don't do that to each other". It's that childish trust towards the US. Maybe she should have listened to Charles de Gaulle -> „France has no friends, only interests.“ ...same with the US and every Country with open eyes. PS EDIT: And Henry Kissinger a bit later -> America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Kinda feel like the people saying that must live in a depressing world.
    - nix23 4y ago
      Na just reality. If you accept that, you have a pretty fun time "entangling" history, your mindset will change from a mostly black and white perspective to a ~90% grey one ;)

by aborsy 4y ago

psychphysic 4y ago

> I was surprised when I heard that US spied on phone calls of the European leaders such as Merkle. I wasn't sure who to be more embarrassed for. Doing it to such a significant ally is shameful, having it done to you by an ally possibly worse.

chrisseaton 4y ago
Can’t know if they’re really any ally or not if you aren’t spying on them, can you!
- psychphysic 4y ago
  I've just read an article on the topic[0] as I was so fuzzy on the details. It's much worse than I remembered. I never really saw the importance of Snowden but he should be a modern day democracy saint after blowing the lid on this type of surveillance. [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...

Kukumber 4y ago

It has nothing to do with technologies, it had to do with trust and negligence, or perhaps a trap ;), both France and Germany are properly equipped when it comes to real "tech", and not just consumer tech

nix23 4y ago
Yep, like Merkle said "friends don't do that to each other". It's that childish trust towards the US. Maybe she should have listened to Charles de Gaulle -> „France has no friends, only interests.“ ...same with the US and every Country with open eyes. PS EDIT: And Henry Kissinger a bit later -> America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  Kinda feel like the people saying that must live in a depressing world.
  - nix23 4y ago
    Na just reality. If you accept that, you have a pretty fun time "entangling" history, your mindset will change from a mostly black and white perspective to a ~90% grey one ;)