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That’s not really comparable. Tesla make tangible products that are readily sold and actively used all over the world. Their success has been so great that it p

That’s not really comparable. Tesla make tangible products that are readily sold and actively used all over the world. Their success has been so great that it pushed other companies to move into the EV market. Tesla are known to make premature promises sure, but they do eventually deliver on those promises.

jrm4 4y ago
I can't deny the cheerleading factor, for sure. But we also know there's a LOT of hot air in this company. The question is, does that hot air get replaced with quality, or does the thing deflate? Time will tell.
ProjectArcturis 4y ago
Full self driving is only the most prominent example of many unfulfilled promises.
- cbeach 4y ago
  Err they just rolled it out to the whole of North America
  - ProjectArcturis 4y ago
    “Our goal is, and I feel pretty good about this goal, that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy all the way from LA to New York, from home in LA to let’s say dropping you off in Time Square in New York, and then having the car go park itself, by the end of next year [2017],” he said on a press call today. “Without the need for a single touch, including the charger.” https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-coast-test-drive-of-fully-self-driving-tesla-by-late-2017/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-co... Would you say this promise has been fulfilled?
    - cbeach 4y ago
      No, it's taken much longer than that. But Musk is far closer to this goal than anyone else. Other solutions rely on geo-fenced known areas, LIDAR sensors (which will never understand the whole picture e.g. coloured traffic lights), and non-generalised AI. What Tesla is shooting for is much more ambitious, and much more likely to succeed in my opinion. Why be pedantic about forward-looking announcements, rather than celebrating the incredible things Tesla AI has acheived so far (and continues to acheive)? The cars can now navigate competently through city streets. That was sci-fi just a few years ago.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        Taken!=Taking Also, it's not being pedantic when you point out that someone is over 5 years behind what they promised...

jrm4 4y ago

I can't deny the cheerleading factor, for sure. But we also know there's a LOT of hot air in this company. The question is, does that hot air get replaced with quality, or does the thing deflate? Time will tell.

ProjectArcturis 4y ago

Full self driving is only the most prominent example of many unfulfilled promises.

cbeach 4y ago
Err they just rolled it out to the whole of North America
- ProjectArcturis 4y ago
  “Our goal is, and I feel pretty good about this goal, that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy all the way from LA to New York, from home in LA to let’s say dropping you off in Time Square in New York, and then having the car go park itself, by the end of next year [2017],” he said on a press call today. “Without the need for a single touch, including the charger.” https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-coast-test-drive-of-fully-self-driving-tesla-by-late-2017/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-co... Would you say this promise has been fulfilled?
  - cbeach 4y ago
    No, it's taken much longer than that. But Musk is far closer to this goal than anyone else. Other solutions rely on geo-fenced known areas, LIDAR sensors (which will never understand the whole picture e.g. coloured traffic lights), and non-generalised AI. What Tesla is shooting for is much more ambitious, and much more likely to succeed in my opinion. Why be pedantic about forward-looking announcements, rather than celebrating the incredible things Tesla AI has acheived so far (and continues to acheive)? The cars can now navigate competently through city streets. That was sci-fi just a few years ago.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      Taken!=Taking Also, it's not being pedantic when you point out that someone is over 5 years behind what they promised...