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True, though that's because Apple basically bought NeXT, it's IP, OS, top executives and Jobs had learned alot about the mistakes he'd made. Also he was singula
by hungryforcodes 4y ago
True, though that's because Apple basically bought NeXT, it's IP, OS, top executives and Jobs had learned alot about the mistakes he'd made. Also he was singularly driven and charismatic (like him or not).
Basically it's as if Intel bought AMD and switched, but AMD had some visionary CEO that could lead Intel to victory.
The days of Moore are over. Still I used to hate Intel, but now root for them. I guess I like underdogs.
- bergenty 4y agoI like underdogs and I like to buy American.
- hungryforcodes 4y agoNot sure why you are down voted.
- bergenty 4y agoProbably people uncomfortable with explicit nationalism.
- School-Cotton 4y agoLeaving aside the question of why you like to buy American… note that AMD is American too.
- MobiusHorizons 4y agoMy read is that people who like to "buy American" are often concerned with where the product is manufactured, as opposed to where the company is headquartered, or where the product was designed. On that score AMD is quite a bit less American made than Intel simply due to being fabricated it Taiwan and assembled in Malaysia (as far as I can find).
- adrian_b 4y agoI think that there are a few decades since I have last seen any Intel CPU that was assembled in USA and not somewhere in SE Asia. It is true that the Intel wafers might be fabricated in USA, besides a few other places in Israel or Europe. However, it is likely that the assembly employs more workers than the wafer fabrication plants.
- mhitza 4y agoI don't know how you can root for Intel. Until AMD made it's comeback Intel charged premium prices for very low performance improvement generation after generation. Intel is still the primary CPU on most laptops produced today; and only in the last 6-12 months I've started seeing some options to buy AMD powered laptops. Even ignoring that Intel's vPRO/ME implementation is still scarier (potentially more invasive) than the somewhat equivalent AMD "feature".
- pengaru 4y ago> only in the last 6-12 months I've started seeing some options to buy AMD powered laptops The Lenovo X395 was released in 2019 w/2nd gen ryzen. Then their X13 in 2020 w/3rd gen ryzen, meaning you could have been using an 8-core X13 for years by now.
- soco 4y agoAlso Lenovo T495 same year - I'm typing on it right now.
- icedchai 4y agoYou are mostly right, but AMD laptops have been available for years. One of my few Windows systems is an HP Envy x360 laptop with an AMD 4500U, from mid-2020.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y agoI also blame Intel as the reason ECC memory is not the standard in everything.
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- adrian_b 4y agoYes, I am old enough to remember the years 1994/1995, when Intel has introduced the split between the "Pentium Pro" CPUs intended for "professionals" who should pay dearly for the right of having computers that function without errors, and the "Pentium" CPUs (2nd generation Pentium @ 90/100 MHz), intended for the naive laymen, whose computers are not important, so it does not matter if their computers make mistakes from time to time. This market segmentation introduced by Intel has broken the tradition created by IBM, who had taken care from the beginning to provide the IBM PC with error-detecting memory.
- b112 4y agoThe days of Moore are over. I have heard this repeated for almost 30 years. Are they really? Or are they one discovery away from continuing?
- nine_k 4y agoAny one discovery isn't going to suffice. Building a bunch of technologies to make that discovery usable and profitable is hard and long work. We know for years that carbon nanotubes can make great, very compact, very fast transistors. There's nothing close to a practical application of this discovery, because we barely know how to make nanotubes in tiny amounts, a handful of labs, at a great expense.
- marcosdumay 4y agoYes, for some 10 years at least. If you go read what his article said, it's very clear and incontestable ended. Still, that doesn't stop a bunch of people that have no idea what Moore's Law was about from claiming whatever they want to. Anyway, where did you hear Moore's Law ended 30 years ago? That one doesn't make sense.
- CyberDildonics 4y agoYes, for some 10 years at least. You are thinking of denard scaling. Transistors have been shrinking and counts have been increasing. Anyway, where did you hear Moore's Law ended 30 years ago? People were saying it was going to end, not that it already ended.
- marcosdumay 4y agoThe most superficial and literal reading of Moore's Law is "the number of transistors on the most economical package doubles every X months" where X changed a bit over the decades. Not only has the number of transistors on the largest package not followed an exponential for a decade (a good hint is that people denying it repeats the law with X changed on every single iteration), but as fabs adopt more and more complex processes, the number of transistors on the most economical package has been growing very slowly, with no perspective of a doubling any soon. On a deeper reading, the Moore's paper is all about the economics of semiconductor fabrication. And not only companies that aren't on the most advanced process are not failing as they used to, but nobody is using the law anymore to size investments. There is just no way to read Moore's Law and interpret it into something that still exists. > People were saying it was going to end, not that it already ended. Oh, so you meant to say that they were correct?