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Consumer Reports recommends the 2023 Kia EV6 with an overall score of 91, a road test score of 90, a predicted reliability rating of Excellent (5/5), and a pred

Consumer Reports recommends the 2023 Kia EV6 with an overall score of 91, a road test score of 90, a predicted reliability rating of Excellent (5/5), and a predicted consumer satisfaction rating of Excellent (5/5).[1] The top-rated 2023 Tesla vehicle is the Model 3, which has an overall score of 78, a road test score of 82, a predicted reliability rating of Average (3/5), and a predicted owner satisfaction rating of Very Good (4/5).[2] The 2023 Tesla Models Y, S, and X have overall scores of 73, 62, and 52, respectively. [1] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/kia/ev6/2023/overview https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/kia/ev6/2023/overview [2] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3/2023/overview https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3/2023/over...

TexanFeller 4y ago
Consumer reports and similar really doesn't and can't give you a good sense of long term reliability. Nissan and Kia have longstanding reputations for cheaping out on things that matter to reliability that no "predicted reliability score" should ever be able to counter. The word predicted is them admitting they have no idea yet.
- commoner 4y ago
  Then we can look at the reliability of this year's models. The 2022 Kia EV6 has a reliability rating of Excellent (5/5). The 2022 Tesla Models 3, S, X, and Y have reliability ratings of Very Good (4/5), Good (3/5), N/A (not enough data), and Good (3/5), respectively. Consumer Reports does tend to rate Toyota vehicles higher than models from most other makes in general, but the Kia EV6 in particular has been evaluated to be an excellent vehicle.
  - TexanFeller 4y ago
    < look at the reliability of this year's models You're completely missing my point. I was speaking of long term reliability. "reliability scores" of this years models tell you very little about long term reliability and maintenance costs! The not so good auto makers have problems that manifest in a small number of years, often right after the warranty period runs out. Reliable cars are expected to have a lifetime of a couple of decades!
    - commoner 4y ago
      The Kia EV6 was introduced in 2021 (model year 2022), so your criticism of this particular model is not backed up by any data. Historically, Kia and Tesla have similar reliability, while Nissan beats both. https://www.consumerreports.org/used-cars/how-to-find-the-best-used-car-at-the-right-price-a2344607782/ https://www.consumerreports.org/used-cars/how-to-find-the-be... Consumer Reports updates the ratings of used models every year to reflect new information.
    - decafninja 4y ago
      Expecting a car to last decades and for the owner to keep the car for decades, is not realistic. Especially in this day and age. Such customers are exceptions and I really doubt manufacturers take them into account.
      - TexanFeller 4y ago
        Nonsense, most of my family and the people in the town I grew up in kept cars for 10+ years or 200-300k miles if they could. Some of my wealthier relatives drove 25-30 year old pickup trucks. If you don't think cars need to last 10+ years you're completely out of touch with regular people. Even if you're a rich person that buys a new car every few years reliability should matter to you, because lack of it costs you money. Reliability and maintenance costs over time are the reason a Toyota/Honda depreciates very slowly while a luxury car like a BMW/Mercedes depreciates like milk. The latter will cost the next owner a fortune in maintenance to keep running properly. If anything longevity should be far more of a priority nowadays since a) modern manufacturing makes it easier to produce long lasting vehicles than when we were children and b) anyone shopping for EVs and/or interested in environmentalism should be demanding longevity to reduce waste.
        ryanwaggoner 4y ago
        10+ years != “decades”, and the actual data is that cars last an average of about 12 years. Your relatives with 25-30 year old vehicles are the outliers here.
- dekhn 4y ago
  I almost bought a tesla. I was really excited at the idea of driving over to the factory and picking up my car (I live close by). Then my friend pointed out that Model Ys had had some delivery problems and pointed me at https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist After doing a bit of research I cancelled my order and bought a toyota because the out-the-door build quality is not something I need to worry about at all. \

TexanFeller 4y ago

Consumer reports and similar really doesn't and can't give you a good sense of long term reliability. Nissan and Kia have longstanding reputations for cheaping out on things that matter to reliability that no "predicted reliability score" should ever be able to counter. The word predicted is them admitting they have no idea yet.

commoner 4y ago
Then we can look at the reliability of this year's models. The 2022 Kia EV6 has a reliability rating of Excellent (5/5). The 2022 Tesla Models 3, S, X, and Y have reliability ratings of Very Good (4/5), Good (3/5), N/A (not enough data), and Good (3/5), respectively. Consumer Reports does tend to rate Toyota vehicles higher than models from most other makes in general, but the Kia EV6 in particular has been evaluated to be an excellent vehicle.
- TexanFeller 4y ago
  < look at the reliability of this year's models You're completely missing my point. I was speaking of long term reliability. "reliability scores" of this years models tell you very little about long term reliability and maintenance costs! The not so good auto makers have problems that manifest in a small number of years, often right after the warranty period runs out. Reliable cars are expected to have a lifetime of a couple of decades!
  - commoner 4y ago
    The Kia EV6 was introduced in 2021 (model year 2022), so your criticism of this particular model is not backed up by any data. Historically, Kia and Tesla have similar reliability, while Nissan beats both. https://www.consumerreports.org/used-cars/how-to-find-the-best-used-car-at-the-right-price-a2344607782/ https://www.consumerreports.org/used-cars/how-to-find-the-be... Consumer Reports updates the ratings of used models every year to reflect new information.
  - decafninja 4y ago
    Expecting a car to last decades and for the owner to keep the car for decades, is not realistic. Especially in this day and age. Such customers are exceptions and I really doubt manufacturers take them into account.
    - TexanFeller 4y ago
      Nonsense, most of my family and the people in the town I grew up in kept cars for 10+ years or 200-300k miles if they could. Some of my wealthier relatives drove 25-30 year old pickup trucks. If you don't think cars need to last 10+ years you're completely out of touch with regular people. Even if you're a rich person that buys a new car every few years reliability should matter to you, because lack of it costs you money. Reliability and maintenance costs over time are the reason a Toyota/Honda depreciates very slowly while a luxury car like a BMW/Mercedes depreciates like milk. The latter will cost the next owner a fortune in maintenance to keep running properly. If anything longevity should be far more of a priority nowadays since a) modern manufacturing makes it easier to produce long lasting vehicles than when we were children and b) anyone shopping for EVs and/or interested in environmentalism should be demanding longevity to reduce waste.
      - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
        10+ years != “decades”, and the actual data is that cars last an average of about 12 years. Your relatives with 25-30 year old vehicles are the outliers here.
dekhn 4y ago
I almost bought a tesla. I was really excited at the idea of driving over to the factory and picking up my car (I live close by). Then my friend pointed out that Model Ys had had some delivery problems and pointed me at https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist After doing a bit of research I cancelled my order and bought a toyota because the out-the-door build quality is not something I need to worry about at all. \