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I’m curious about “not satisfactory” standards and how they are evaluated. I’ve met many earnest engineers and architects who were trying to do good and ended u
by prepend 4y ago
I’m curious about “not satisfactory” standards and how they are evaluated. I’ve met many earnest engineers and architects who were trying to do good and ended up making stuff worse by creating conformant code that still sucked.
I’ve met many more “witch-hunt” reviews that were just a reason to thin the company to please VC or shareholders.
The article/tweet doesn’t mention it, but I assume they have the same severance package of a few months as the rest. If so, it could be a lot worse
- gttalbot 4y agoIt does mention it. 4 weeks severance. The people who decided not to sign up for "hardcore Twitter" got 3 months.
- purple_ferret 4y agoWell they can get unemployment now too.
- smugma 4y agoIt’ll be at least 60 Days, as required by California law.
- voakbasda 4y agoSo, punish the true believers? Yep, this can only end well.
- rob74 4y agoOr the thinking went "Wow, these guys really signed that thing?! They must be desperate to keep this job, if they would be any good they would have gotten the hell out, let's take another look at their code!". By now the only thing stopping me from being convinced that Elon intentionally wants to drive Twitter into the ground is Hanlon's razor...
- runarberg 4y agoHanlon’s razor neglects the fact that there are people in the world that are actually seeking to cause harm. I also ignores harm as a byproduct of serving one’s self interest—or in this case megalomania. When there is this much power-imbalance, I actually consider Hanlon’s razor to be harmful. It does not matter to the workers being fired whether Musk is acting out of ignorance or malice. The action speaks for it self.
- narrator 4y agoAlmost every defendant in a criminal case would go free if Hanlon's razor were used. Mental state is highly important in securing a criminal conviction unless it's a strict liability offense which there are comparatively few.
- Tozen 4y ago> "Wow, these guys really signed that thing?! They must be desperate to keep this job, if they would be any good they would have gotten the hell out, let's take another look at their code!" ROFL! Should have been done the other way around, see if the code quality was good enough to keep, then send the "hardcore" e-mail. Doing it backwards, is arguably sadistic.
- jlengrand 4y agoOn a separate note, thanks for teaching me that there is more razor than Occam's!
- KptMarchewa 4y agoMostly visa holders not believers.
- joe_the_user 4y agoPunishing the true believes is cult-building 101. Cults techniques can be used to build organizations. Not highly competent organizations but barely adequate organizations. Musk can profit if he abuse Twitters market position, abuse vulnerable H1b immigrants and similar things. He hopefully he'll fail but I don't think we can assume he'll automatically fail.
- shapefrog 4y agoImagine having paid 2 months of your salary to lick Musks boots and be discarded and branded "not satisfactory" for your efforts. They should have at least gotten a horse out for the deal.
- gttalbot 4y agoAlso, firing people on parental leave, and firing people on H1B who have 60d to get a job or leave the country.
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- egberts1 4y agoLast time I checked the contract, it takes a willing worker to agree to the clause conditions.
- concordDance 4y agoThink about why we praise people. It's to encourage them and others to continue doing good things.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoI’m on the spectrum and I have both family and friends on the spectrum. None of them would want to fire thousands of people on a whim. That’s not what being on the spectrum is like. Uncaring is not an apt word at all, and it would be just as surprising for someone on the spectrum to be truly uncaring as any neurotypical person. They might seem uncaring in fleeting moments due to communication breakdown. They might not understand other peoples’ needs at all times. That’s far, far different from executing on the unemployment of thousands as though they are just crumpled up balls of cash to throw in the waste bin. Not remotely comparable.
- ModernMech 4y agoMaybe the parent meant Cluster B Personality Disorder spectrum. That’s how I read it anyway.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoGreat point, I read that with a personal bias. I also find people tend to think Musk has ASD, though I have no idea if he does.
- tyingq 4y agoI'm sure there were some unfair evaluations. Like, for example "terrible code" that's terrible because it was some attempt to add functionality or fix a bug in existing terrible code.
- DemocracyFTW2 4y agoThe article/tweet doesn’t mention it, but I assume they have the same severance package of a few months as the rest. If so, it could be a lot worse Yeah well not exactly. From the thread: Those fired got 4 weeks severance, by the way. A slap in the face, given that if they chose to not click "yes" to stay just a week ago, they would have gotten 3 months. They might have believed in Twitter 2.0, but still got a worse deal than those who chose to simply leave. The performance warning email closes with this line: "Please use this opportunity to restore our confidence and demonstrate your contributions to the team and company." It should be Twitter 2.0 that needs to restore confidence with employees. Happy Thanksgiving. It is already worse. And just to top it off, management wants people to make efforts to regain their leaders' confidence in them. That's vaguely Orwellian.
- kylecordes 4y agoOn anything vaguely Elon related I've learned to ignore high-frequency reporting. It's all about creating instant disgust. Who knows what we we'll eventually find out; my guess is that it's more likely everyone gets similar longish severance. (Or pseudo-severance, for countries and states with certain regulations, to ensure actual legal compliance even among the public perception of everything happening instantly without regard to sources of delay.)
- ctvo 4y ago> On anything vaguely Elon related I've learned to ignore high-frequency reporting. True, but not for the reasons you’re implying. Those reporting are accurate Elon is doing these things, but Elon is impulsive, and gets reined in often, sometimes by the few adults in the room, sometimes by the legal system. So yes, these employees will most likely get their legal severance payments… after a protracted legal case that ends 24 months from now. This doesn’t change the fact that Elon may not be the best manager or person in the world.
- chillfox 4y ago“The article/tweet doesn’t mention it, but I assume they have the same severance package of a few months as the rest.” It’s mentioned in the 4th tweet. Says they get 4 weeks.
- up2isomorphism 4y agoActually it is easier than you think IF you know the stuff. But that big if does not apply in most of the cases. I have tried this whenever I moved to a new company and read other people’s code and can almost pick out more than half of the coaster or BSers immediately without talking to any of them. You will miss a few more but you rarely get false positives. BTW the loc is a stupid metric should never be used in the first place.
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