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The contention was that the gamers who care about privacy and ads have moved on from Windows, I am saying this is not true. Even if you care about privacy and a

The contention was that the gamers who care about privacy and ads have moved on from Windows, I am saying this is not true. Even if you care about privacy and ads you might care more about actually being able to play certain games.

bogwog 4y ago
The vast majority of Windows games work perfectly fine on Linux nowadays. The only major exception is anti-cheat, but even that is starting to change. Even 343 is working to bring the Halo Master Chief collection to Linux by moving to EAC’s linux offering (https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/343-working-on-halo-the-master-chief-collection-anti-cheat-for-steam-deck-linux/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/343-working-on-halo-th...) With the incredible success of the Steam Deck, PC game publishers would be stupid to ignore it. VR isn’t there yet, but VR isn’t a massive industry anyways. And besides, Valve is the PC VR company. Anyone predicting that VR is never going to work well on Linux is being foolish. As soon as Valve decides to allocate resources to Linux VR, the problem will be solved. And they have every incentive to do so, since they’re clearly all in on Linux gaming.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  I do not see how literally any of this information contradicts what I am saying.
- Meph504 4y ago
  >>The vast majority of Windows games work perfectly fine on Linux nowadays. Sorry man, this is false, most games have anti-cheat that simply won't work with linux out of the box, you may get titles a year later (early depending on sales performance) and the ones you get rarely work perfectly out of the box. The only place the "vast majority" statement may hold is if you count the endless amounts of simplistic/indie games, and do not consider the highly rated, highest selling titles. The steam deck surely is helping, can't argue against that, as is SteamOS in general, but we are far far away from parity between the operating systems.
  - slipheen 4y ago
    I suspect you and the OP may have differing definitions of what constitutes "most games" which are flavoring your respective experiences. My guess is you are thinking more of multiplayer gaming, where as they are thinking more about the singleplayer games. Elden Ring, Spider-man, Horizon Zero Dawn, Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands, Stray, etc all work great on Linux. Single-player games don't typically need any sort of anti-cheat features, so usually work as expected easily. Multiplayer games are a whole other issue though, and most of those (imo) do NOT work well on Linux at the moment.
    - Meph504 4y ago
      Actually I play almost exclusively single player games myself, but even those games typically start with DRM protection that makes Linux difficult at times, Denuvo finally has their native support sorted without significant degradation of performance. And as for the games you listed I would not say they work great on linux, they require tweaking, adjustments, driver updates, switching to experimental builds, etc.. I am not saying gaming isn't possible on linux, I'm saying it isn't as easy, and the results are not on par out of the box with windows. And the things you have to do getting it working are going to typically be provided by game developer support, but by community members figuring it out, and then that having to trickle out to forums and the like. ProtonDB would typically agree, you can look at the games you listed and see that many of them require specific adjustments to get decent frame rates, avoiding lag spikes, etc... Now, given the option of having a gaming partition that runs windows and is only used for gaming, or trying to force the games to work on linux. What do you think the majority of gamers would rather even those who are privacy minded. I'm hoping in the next 5 years are so that this will change, and that windows looses its grip on this market, but currently I don't see many people switching their platforms over what windows is doing.
  - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
    > most games have anti-cheat This is false. Most games do not have anti-cheat systems because most games are not multiplayer games.
    - 4y ago

bogwog 4y ago

The vast majority of Windows games work perfectly fine on Linux nowadays. The only major exception is anti-cheat, but even that is starting to change. Even 343 is working to bring the Halo Master Chief collection to Linux by moving to EAC’s linux offering (https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/343-working-on-halo-the-master-chief-collection-anti-cheat-for-steam-deck-linux/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/343-working-on-halo-th...) With the incredible success of the Steam Deck, PC game publishers would be stupid to ignore it. VR isn’t there yet, but VR isn’t a massive industry anyways. And besides, Valve is the PC VR company. Anyone predicting that VR is never going to work well on Linux is being foolish. As soon as Valve decides to allocate resources to Linux VR, the problem will be solved. And they have every incentive to do so, since they’re clearly all in on Linux gaming.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
I do not see how literally any of this information contradicts what I am saying.
Meph504 4y ago
>>The vast majority of Windows games work perfectly fine on Linux nowadays. Sorry man, this is false, most games have anti-cheat that simply won't work with linux out of the box, you may get titles a year later (early depending on sales performance) and the ones you get rarely work perfectly out of the box. The only place the "vast majority" statement may hold is if you count the endless amounts of simplistic/indie games, and do not consider the highly rated, highest selling titles. The steam deck surely is helping, can't argue against that, as is SteamOS in general, but we are far far away from parity between the operating systems.
- slipheen 4y ago
  I suspect you and the OP may have differing definitions of what constitutes "most games" which are flavoring your respective experiences. My guess is you are thinking more of multiplayer gaming, where as they are thinking more about the singleplayer games. Elden Ring, Spider-man, Horizon Zero Dawn, Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands, Stray, etc all work great on Linux. Single-player games don't typically need any sort of anti-cheat features, so usually work as expected easily. Multiplayer games are a whole other issue though, and most of those (imo) do NOT work well on Linux at the moment.
  - Meph504 4y ago
    Actually I play almost exclusively single player games myself, but even those games typically start with DRM protection that makes Linux difficult at times, Denuvo finally has their native support sorted without significant degradation of performance. And as for the games you listed I would not say they work great on linux, they require tweaking, adjustments, driver updates, switching to experimental builds, etc.. I am not saying gaming isn't possible on linux, I'm saying it isn't as easy, and the results are not on par out of the box with windows. And the things you have to do getting it working are going to typically be provided by game developer support, but by community members figuring it out, and then that having to trickle out to forums and the like. ProtonDB would typically agree, you can look at the games you listed and see that many of them require specific adjustments to get decent frame rates, avoiding lag spikes, etc... Now, given the option of having a gaming partition that runs windows and is only used for gaming, or trying to force the games to work on linux. What do you think the majority of gamers would rather even those who are privacy minded. I'm hoping in the next 5 years are so that this will change, and that windows looses its grip on this market, but currently I don't see many people switching their platforms over what windows is doing.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  > most games have anti-cheat This is false. Most games do not have anti-cheat systems because most games are not multiplayer games.
  - 4y ago