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It's very sad for microsoft that the community has to step up to unbloat their stuff Trillion dollar company can't be bothered to optimize their OS properly, o

It's very sad for microsoft that the community has to step up to unbloat their stuff Trillion dollar company can't be bothered to optimize their OS properly, or perhaps their workforce is not skilled enough They are already missing out on the handheld console market, it's all about linux/android I'm personally happy about it, the worse microsoft becomes, the better the competition becomes because it helps new actors emerge and proliferate (macOS, android, linux)

LeifCarrotson 4y ago
Windows already sells this as Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - all the crapware, telemetry, and other bloat is stripped out leaving just the bare OS for installation in kiosks, industrial equipment, digital signage, point-of-sale systems, etc. It's designed to get minimally disruptive security updates, and defers feature updates as long as possible. It's not that the trillion dollar company can't be bothered to optimize the OS, it's that each division within the company needs to justify their own existence, and if they can sell a Candy Crush promotion in the start menu at the cost of some customer goodwill, that might be an ephemeral, unmeasurable $10M loss to Microsoft as a whole but a $1M profit, clearly described by a graph going up and to the right, and a promotion....for the middle manager who foisted Candy Crush on all of us. The problem is that LSTC is not available through retail channels. If you're interested in this because your startup wants to sell a Windows-based hardware product, buy a prebuilt system from OnLogic or similar.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  Sounds like the same excuses i keep hear for over a decade already, i don't buy it, and i'll even say it's bullshit Apple had time to properly transition from PPC to Intel to ARM with their own chip, develop new experiences from Smartphone to Tablets to SmartWatch, Microsoft failed at all of them, including SERVERS!!, something they took for granted for decades So no, you can't just say "they have LSTC wich is a non bloated windows", no, the tech remains the same, the problems remains the same, they even lost the embedded market... c'mon Windows is being operated as if it was a students weekend school project, but he prefer to go play outside with his friends instead, friends that are now grow up adults with a beautiful house, smart kids and beautiful wife, microsoft is stuck with that hooker that try to sell him some qualcomm drugs
- throwaway67743 4y ago
  That isn't true, the only version of "ltsc" without the crap was ltsb 2016, after that it's closer to retail (or standard enterprise which has all of the same shit) and with the most recent version it's basically pro with a different name, presumably because people were using it for this when they aren't licensed to and the devices ltsc is designed for are likely older and/or have vendor supported drivers etc that don't require new versions and frameworks. Unfortunately unless you have old hardware (on which win7 would be fine) then you can't run older ltsc/b anymore as they don't support dch etc. Case in point: my Ryzen laptop requires new uwp for the realtek audio because apparently signalling input change on headset detection is hard, it won't detect headset and the only way to change from headphones to headset is in the uwp app, which is quite ridiculous but that's the windows world we live in now. Also many of the "tweaks" mentioned in that repo are likely to break service imaging so if you do update, you'll end up in a perpetual updating/rolling back cycle.
bogwog 4y ago
> Trillion dollar company can't be bothered to optimize their OS properly, or perhaps their workforce is not skilled enough That’s what happens when you’re immune to typical market forces. Why invest money in things that give value to consumers when you can just exploit them? It’s not like the government is going to protect them, and the decades of anticompetitive behavior you’ve managed to get away with means that you don’t have any real competition left to worry about.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  This is why it's essential to break monopolies. We end up getting the sort end of the stick without even realizing.

LeifCarrotson 4y ago

Windows already sells this as Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - all the crapware, telemetry, and other bloat is stripped out leaving just the bare OS for installation in kiosks, industrial equipment, digital signage, point-of-sale systems, etc. It's designed to get minimally disruptive security updates, and defers feature updates as long as possible. It's not that the trillion dollar company can't be bothered to optimize the OS, it's that each division within the company needs to justify their own existence, and if they can sell a Candy Crush promotion in the start menu at the cost of some customer goodwill, that might be an ephemeral, unmeasurable $10M loss to Microsoft as a whole but a $1M profit, clearly described by a graph going up and to the right, and a promotion....for the middle manager who foisted Candy Crush on all of us. The problem is that LSTC is not available through retail channels. If you're interested in this because your startup wants to sell a Windows-based hardware product, buy a prebuilt system from OnLogic or similar.

Kukumber 4y ago
Sounds like the same excuses i keep hear for over a decade already, i don't buy it, and i'll even say it's bullshit Apple had time to properly transition from PPC to Intel to ARM with their own chip, develop new experiences from Smartphone to Tablets to SmartWatch, Microsoft failed at all of them, including SERVERS!!, something they took for granted for decades So no, you can't just say "they have LSTC wich is a non bloated windows", no, the tech remains the same, the problems remains the same, they even lost the embedded market... c'mon Windows is being operated as if it was a students weekend school project, but he prefer to go play outside with his friends instead, friends that are now grow up adults with a beautiful house, smart kids and beautiful wife, microsoft is stuck with that hooker that try to sell him some qualcomm drugs
throwaway67743 4y ago
That isn't true, the only version of "ltsc" without the crap was ltsb 2016, after that it's closer to retail (or standard enterprise which has all of the same shit) and with the most recent version it's basically pro with a different name, presumably because people were using it for this when they aren't licensed to and the devices ltsc is designed for are likely older and/or have vendor supported drivers etc that don't require new versions and frameworks. Unfortunately unless you have old hardware (on which win7 would be fine) then you can't run older ltsc/b anymore as they don't support dch etc. Case in point: my Ryzen laptop requires new uwp for the realtek audio because apparently signalling input change on headset detection is hard, it won't detect headset and the only way to change from headphones to headset is in the uwp app, which is quite ridiculous but that's the windows world we live in now. Also many of the "tweaks" mentioned in that repo are likely to break service imaging so if you do update, you'll end up in a perpetual updating/rolling back cycle.

bogwog 4y ago

> Trillion dollar company can't be bothered to optimize their OS properly, or perhaps their workforce is not skilled enough That’s what happens when you’re immune to typical market forces. Why invest money in things that give value to consumers when you can just exploit them? It’s not like the government is going to protect them, and the decades of anticompetitive behavior you’ve managed to get away with means that you don’t have any real competition left to worry about.

NayamAmarshe 4y ago
This is why it's essential to break monopolies. We end up getting the sort end of the stick without even realizing.