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The Names of All Manner of Hounds: Inventory in a Fifteenth-Century Manuscript
- hackeraccount 4y agoIs this names like spot, rover, etc. or names like beagle, bloodhound, etc. ? I assume the later but that still seems like a lot of dog types for the 15th century. I suppose dogs were important and it's an Eskimo/snow thing.
- msrenee 4y agoIt looks like it's names for individual dogs, broken down by letter then by the type of dog. Houndis and braches, male and female hounds respectively. Tereris I'm guessing is terrier. Greyhoundis and greybicches. I don't know why that's so hilarious to me. I think it's just the archaic spelling forced me sound it out and it took a second to process.
- zikduruqe 4y agoI was really hoping Phideaux was in there.
- NelsonMinar 4y agoScreenshots? There's a PDF with proper text published as part of doi:10.1484/j.viator.1.103488. available at your favorite hub for science.
- ilyt 4y agoDid people actually named their dogs like that or is that wild imagination of some writer? A lot of them seem... impractical
- nerdponx 4y agoI wonder if people didn't train their dogs "by name" at that time. I imagine that many of these dogs were working dogs in some sense, and maybe they were more like horses in that their names were useful labels but not actually used to address the animal.
- lostlogin 4y agoIt would be interesting to know the answer to this. I find it hard to believe that a favourite dog or horse, working not, wouldn’t get talked to and named by it’s owner. At a minimum, it’s useful, as you can get a particular dog to do something when it’s addressed individually.
- Enginerrrd 4y ago>At a minimum, it’s useful, as you can get a particular dog to do something when it’s addressed individually. That can work, particularly with smarter breeds that can understand context, but it actually isn't anywhere close to best practice. MUCH better is to train separate commands for the same action for each dog.
- preommr 4y agoI swear I call my name by everything other than her official name.
- MarcelOlsz 4y agoEveryone in my family has a different name for the dog. Referring to the dog as "The Dog" is forbidden.
- mchaver 4y agoIf we assume the names were pronounced with Middle English, they would sound quite a bit different compared to Modern English. You can hear a few words here. https://forvo.com/languages-pronunciations/enm/ https://forvo.com/languages-pronunciations/enm/ I was looking for a Middle English text to speech tool to try out some of the names, but no luck finding one.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoWas thinking the same thing. In general, though, I think the sounds should be pretty accurate if you give the vowels their sounds before the Great Vowel Shift, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift.
- permo-w 4y agomaking a middle englosh text-to-speech tool seems like a fools errand for a number of reasons
- ilyt 4y agoI know that but still I'd imagine calling the dog Bultyngebrake or Cowntirfette ("caught-in-fire") would be pretty unwieldy
- mikek 4y agoMy favorite is definitely "Beste-of-all"
- realo 4y ago“Chopper” seems modern and quite well suited too … particularly for dogs with big teeth …
- FartyMcFarter 4y agoOr ones who move their tail a lot.
- homonculus1 4y agoHe was surely the leader of a fine category: "Pretiboy" "Swepestake" "Stanchebost" But, there was also another kind: "Plodder" "Vagrawnte" "Helpeles"
- tdeck 4y agoAll of these others mean something to me, but what does "Stanchebost" mean?
- kaycebasques 4y agoAre there any great books on the history of dogs?
- pavlov 4y agoIf I ever need names for pet server instances again...
- racl101 4y agoI don't see Tartuffe the spry wonder dog.
- JamesCoyne 4y ago"Abstract: The Names of All Manner of Hounds is a unique list of 1065 names for hunting dogs (running hounds, terriers and greyhounds) found in a fifteenth-century manuscript that has recently been sold into a closed private collection. The present article offers a critical edition of this unusual text, which has never been published before, preceded by an introduction that contextualizes its contents in terms of the hunting culture and the milieu to which they belong. ..." https://sci-hub.ru/10.1484/j.viator.1.103488 https://sci-hub.ru/10.1484/j.viator.1.103488
- AlbertCory 4y agoDog name trivia: I live in a mixed Asian neighborhood. I've met four dogs owned by Indians, all named "Simba." At one time in the dog park, there were three dogs named "Cooper." But the absolute dumbest name you can give your dog is "Bailey." If you named your dog Bailey you are dead to me :)
- bitwize 4y agoI've started grouping dog names according to a common pattern. For example: Blonde dogs named after thunder gods. My apartment complex has three: a Jupiter, a Zeus, and a Thor. Or, goldendoodles whose names can be followed with "Jack cheese". My complex has two: Colby and Pepper, and they seem to have identical goldendoodle personalities as well.
- homonculus1 4y agoWe call ours "Monty" for short
- AlbertCory 4y agoFunny about gods. My neighbors have a non-blonde dog named Bragi. https://norse-mythology.org/gods-and-creatures/the-aesir-gods-and-goddesses/bragi/ https://norse-mythology.org/gods-and-creatures/the-aesir-god... Not quite a thunder god.
- permo-w 4y agoit’s interesting that Thor is now widely seen as blonde. the original legend - as I know it - is of a red-haired individual
- bitwize 4y agoThat's how he appears in God of War: Ragnarok, and with a considerable mead-belly as well.
- silisili 4y agoLast time I went to the vet it was 'Murphy'. The assistant called for 'Murphy' and 3 of the 4 or 5 owners there got up.
- bitwize 4y agoI love how they opened things in Middle English. Makes me think of the Canterbury Tales. PEM format keys should adopt the convention: ----- HERE BYGYNNETH YE RSA PRIVATE KEYE. ----- . . . ----- HERE ENDETH YE RSA PRIVATE KEYE. -----
- dbcurtis 4y agoPlease write more IETF RFCs. The world needs more of this.
- lmaocat 4y agoThey had one named "Monke"... nice
- sitkack 4y agoIt is mildly warming to see that people have been using funny names for their pets for a great long while.
- dang 4y agoWe changed the url from https://imgur.io/gallery/3JVAIHS https://imgur.io/gallery/3JVAIHS to a copy of the paper it's taken from. Thanks to the user who emailed! Edit: changed back to that from https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257920157_The_Names_of_All_Manner_of_Hounds_A_Unique_Inventory_in_a_Fifteenth-Century_Manuscript https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257920157_The_Names... because people couldn't read the paper at the latter link.
- tedmiston 4y agoThe new source doesn't show the list of names... maybe it's buried in the PDF if one is willing to download a whole PDF just to glance at the list. It also seems that accessing said PDF is buried behind an authwall. The list is immediately accessible in the Imgur gallery. That feels like a step backwards to me.
- tokai 4y agoLinking researchgate is always a step back. If we want the original source link the location of the doi. If not then an imgur album is preferable to that parasitic company trying to insert itself in scholarly communication.
- dang 4y agoOk, I can't seem to access the entire paper (anymore? not sure) so have switched back to the originally submitted URL. Other users have posted usable workarounds elsewhere in the comments.
- pugworthy 4y agoThis poem by Jon Anderson came to mind... "Ye Brothers Dogg" Ye dog O'Toole, who hath not work at love, nor art, nor goeth school, sayeth with fart at golden rule. Be it bitch or biscuit or platter stew, ye palate alone shall guide you. Ye dog Hodain forgoeth bone, nor doth disdain to moan. For wind and rain, ye snow and ye seasons, sun, and world roll on. But ye days a dog are not long. Brothers two, ye slim Hodain and fat O'Toole, beneath fence, diggeth hole. Into ye world ye brothers dance. Nor would return, ye fat O'Toole and slim Hodain. Sooner is report, brothers two doth run amok in neighborhood. Cautions O'Toole, 'Hodain, ye may bark, may scowl, and be rude. But do not bite ye hand what giveth dog food.' Though all complain of brothers two, no wind nor rain doth drive them home. Then sayeth Hodain to brother, 'O'Toole, though we have been friends through thick and thin, dog needeth some love from man.' So end ye song of brothers two. Away they had flown, and back they flew. Reclineth ye yard through seasons and sun, through wind and rain, ye snow, ye fog. O'Toole, Hodain, ye brothers dog. Hodain (or Husdant ) was the name of Tristan's hound from the 12th century legend of Tristan and Isolde. I'm surprised neither is in the list - or maybe it is and I didn't see it.
- tdeck 4y agoFor what it's worth most of these "ye"s are probably meant to be "þe" which is just "the" and is pronounced with a "th" sound. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_olde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_olde
- pugworthy 4y agoIt's a modern author so I'm showing it as written. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Anderson_(poet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Anderson_(poet)
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- epilys 4y agoXenophon, the author of Anabasis, also wrote a treatise on hunting, which includes suggestions for naming hounds: > Give the hounds short names, so as to be able to call to them easily. The following are the right sort: Psyche, Thymus, Porpax, Styrax, Lonchê, Lochus, Phrura, Phylax, Taxis, Xiphon, Phonax, Phlegon, Alcê, Teuchon, Hyleus, Medas, Porthon, Sperchon, Orgê, Bremon, Hybris, Thallon, Rhomê, Antheus, Hebe, Getheus, Chara, Leusson, Augo, Polys, Bia, Stichon, Spudê, Bryas, Oenas, Sterrus, Craugê, Caenon, Tyrbas, Sthenon, Aether, Actis, Aechmê, Noes, Gnomê, Stibon, Hormê. Translations: > Psyche, Pluck, Buckler, Spigot, Lance, Lurcher, Watch, Keeper, Brigade, Fencer, Butcher, Blazer, Prowess, Craftsman, Forester, Counsellor, Spoiler, Hurry, Fury, Growler, Riot, Bloomer, Rome, Blossom, Hebe, Hilary, Jollity, Gazer, Eyebright, Much, Force, Trooper, Bustle, Bubbler, Rockdove, Stubborn, Yelp, Killer, Pele-mele, Strongboy, Sky, Sunbeam, Bodkin, Wistful, Gnome, Tracks, Dash Ancient Greek text: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0209%3Atext%3DHunt.%3Achapter%3D7 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynegeticus#Chapter_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynegeticus#Chapter_7
- commandlinefan 4y agoI was a little disappointed that Beowulf wasn't on there.