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IMHO: The modern work environment (or possibly any work environment) is simply not appealing to certain types of people. If those people can find other ways to

IMHO: The modern work environment (or possibly any work environment) is simply not appealing to certain types of people. If those people can find other ways to survive without having to do things they really dislike why do them? Emigrants are a poor comparison because they are self selecting - many of them came to the US specifically for the purpose of working. The 9-5 with 2 weeks vacation work thing is a relatively new invention for humans. We have spent far more time evolving under more fluid time management situations like seasonal work or doing different work during the course of the year. The current pattern is specialized and somewhat mind numbingly repetitive.

skeeter2020 4y ago
You are missing some big components though: this has grown for decades with very little deflection in the trend, and "survive without doing things they really dislike" seems odd motivation to do absolutely nothing.
- strangattractor 4y ago
  Maybe the ways these people have found to survive has grown for decades. People are simply taking advantage of the opportunity. I am not implying this is the only reason but it maybe one reason. It also depends on how these people are counted. Does a person that lives a sailing cruiser life style count as being employed. Many people in that category make money on Youtube, move rich peoples boats in the off season and do boat repair work and cleaning etc. They simply do not have a traditional job.
- strangattractor 4y ago
  We do not know they do absolutely nothing. They do not do traditional work that shows up in the gov't statistics.
nonethewiser 4y ago
> IMHO: The modern work environment (or possibly any work environment) is simply not appealing to certain types of people. > The 9-5 with 2 weeks vacation work thing is a relatively new invention for humans. I don't think it could be that though, because conditions have generally gotten better, and there was less resistance to work at time where working conditions were worse. Say 1950's or so. I mean the environment where we work from home and have very flexible hours, retirement, healthcare, generous vacation policies, etc. is pretty new an spectacular in relation to past work environments. These sorts of things used to be the privilege of some business owners who weren't critical to daily business.
- strangattractor 4y ago
  In many respects conditions have gotten better for certain types of work. That doesn't mean that certain people are not predisposed to not like the work. I work remotely, have many of the benefits you list but I am still tied to keyboard many hours per day. I can see where certain people might feel like that is akin to spending the day in hell. I have made certain concessions to achieve my desired work life balance. I could see how others may have a different calculus concerning that. It has nothing to do with being tough. Some of them may actually have options and chose to exercise them.

skeeter2020 4y ago

You are missing some big components though: this has grown for decades with very little deflection in the trend, and "survive without doing things they really dislike" seems odd motivation to do absolutely nothing.

strangattractor 4y ago
Maybe the ways these people have found to survive has grown for decades. People are simply taking advantage of the opportunity. I am not implying this is the only reason but it maybe one reason. It also depends on how these people are counted. Does a person that lives a sailing cruiser life style count as being employed. Many people in that category make money on Youtube, move rich peoples boats in the off season and do boat repair work and cleaning etc. They simply do not have a traditional job.
strangattractor 4y ago
We do not know they do absolutely nothing. They do not do traditional work that shows up in the gov't statistics.

nonethewiser 4y ago

> IMHO: The modern work environment (or possibly any work environment) is simply not appealing to certain types of people. > The 9-5 with 2 weeks vacation work thing is a relatively new invention for humans. I don't think it could be that though, because conditions have generally gotten better, and there was less resistance to work at time where working conditions were worse. Say 1950's or so. I mean the environment where we work from home and have very flexible hours, retirement, healthcare, generous vacation policies, etc. is pretty new an spectacular in relation to past work environments. These sorts of things used to be the privilege of some business owners who weren't critical to daily business.

strangattractor 4y ago
In many respects conditions have gotten better for certain types of work. That doesn't mean that certain people are not predisposed to not like the work. I work remotely, have many of the benefits you list but I am still tied to keyboard many hours per day. I can see where certain people might feel like that is akin to spending the day in hell. I have made certain concessions to achieve my desired work life balance. I could see how others may have a different calculus concerning that. It has nothing to do with being tough. Some of them may actually have options and chose to exercise them.