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The strangest thing about the whole 3D cinema trend is that it seems to have sprung out of some anti-piracy / anti-home-cinema idea among the studios. I can't s

by krig 15y ago

The strangest thing about the whole 3D cinema trend is that it seems to have sprung out of some anti-piracy / anti-home-cinema idea among the studios. I can't speak for everyone, but for me it is just another reason to wait and watch the film at home. Why would I want to watch a blurry, dim version of the film through a pair of glasses on top of my regular glasses? I did watch Avatar in 3D, and I regret doing so. It's a pure effect, one that adds nothing to the film and for me, detracts from the experience significantly enough to make me wait for the DVD release. I can't figure out if Peter Jackson is genuinely excited about 3D or if he's in some kind of reality distortion field where 3D will save the art of cinema.

JonnieCache 15y ago
>I can't figure out if Peter Jackson is genuinely excited about 3D or if he's in some kind of reality distortion field where 3D will save the art of cinema. I imagine he has no choice, that the studios stipulate he must use and promote 3D to get the funding. The studios want it, like you say, because they think it will encourage people to go to cinemas again. If you saw Scorsese promoting his new flick recently on the Daily Show, he opined at length about the wonderful cinematographical benefits of 3D, and it didn't ring true at all. It definitely seemed like he was obliged, perhaps contractually, to say it.
- AndrewDucker 15y ago
  I saw Hugo in 3D and Martin Scorcese made it look _amazing_. I have never seen it look as good as he managed. I don't know how he comes across in interviews, but he is clearly a virtuoso with it in practice.
  - ghotli 15y ago
    I came here to say basically the same thing. It can be used as a subtle effect to add a great deal to the depth of the setting. I feel like it's just another added dimension of cinematography.
- bmuon 15y ago
  > I imagine he has no choice I think so as well. Back when Guillermo del Toro was going to direct it, he posted in The One Ring forums saying they didn't any interest in 3D at the moment, but "If after AVATAR the market may change and demands are put upon us, etc that is in the future". http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_threaded;post=212078;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;guest=9426799 http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi...
RandallBrown 15y ago
I've always really liked 3D movies when it's well done. I thought it really made Avatar more amazing and it gave Alice in Wonderland an even more other worldly effect. Most animated movies turn out really well too. Of course, most movies aren't filmed with 3D in mind and it is crappily added in post. Those suck.
- EvilTrout 15y ago
  Actually Alice in Wonderland's 3D was done in post.
  - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
    But was shot as a 3D movie apparently, Wikipedia: 'Sony Pictures Imageworks designed the visual effects sequences.[54] Burton felt 3D was appropriate to the story's environment.[11] Burton and Zanuck chose to film with conventional cameras, and convert the footage into 3D during post-production; Zanuck explained 3D cameras were too expensive and "clumsy" to use, and they felt that there was no difference between converted footage and those shot in the format.[55] James Cameron, who released his 3D film Avatar in December 2009, criticized the choice, stating, "It doesn't make any sense to shoot in 2-D and convert to 3-D".[56]'
  - RandallBrown 15y ago
    Yes, but it was done very well.
- tomjen3 15y ago
  Agreed. Sometimes HN seems like a bunch of hipsters -- yes it can be done incorrectly, but by that token you shouldn't ever use color (and all movies should be silent). 3D is an enabling technology. It will not prevent bad films from being made, anymore than Ruby will prevent bad developers from creating a mess.
  - gamble 15y ago
    Current 3D technology results in a dramatic loss of picture quality. In theory they're supposed to compensate for the brightness reduction by cranking up the projector, but I've yet to see a 3D film that wasn't dramatically murkier than the 2D version. You also get terrible judder. And, for people like myself that wear glasses, the fact that no movie theatre distributes polarized glasses designed to fit around a pair of glasses means that I usually have difficulty focusing and get awful eyestrain. I don't have a problem with the idea of 3D, per se, but its implementation has made watching films in a theatre very frustrating and uncomfortable.
libraryatnight 15y ago
In the production video blogs he seems legitimately excited sometimes, and other times it's like the people on the blog are in a commercial for 3D. We do see Alan Lee and John Howe illustrating and story boarding in 3D which is cool. As a side note, it's insane to watch those production videos: I remember Jackson saying they have 48 RED cameras (2 per rig), it shows them scouting locations in 5 helicopters, and it's amazing to see the amount of people and work going into making the movies. First video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjMEYjCNGmg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjMEYjCNGmg&feature=relat... (there are 4 so far, I believe)
- krig 15y ago
  Yeah, I saw that and I still can't make up my mind about it. I mean, I can see how it's a shiny new toy and it must be great to get to play around with all this amazing technology. At the same time, the Lee/Howe concept art in 3D stuff seemed more like a gag. But yeah, it's an incredible setup and a ridiculous amount of money being spent. Would be fun to have a pair of RED cameras to play around with... I just don't know if I want to pay to see the result in a cinema.
- snowwrestler 15y ago
  That part about them hand-illustrating in 3D was a joke. They show one guy working on the red version and one on the blue, side by side. There's no way they could do that precisely enough to actually produce a 3D image by hand.
there 15y ago
I can't speak for everyone, but for me it is just another reason to wait and watch the film at home. why wait? i can't think of any 3D movies that have been released lately that didn't also come out in a regular version. there are a ton of theatres that don't have 3D projectors and a lot of people don't like it or don't want to pay the extra money to see it in 3D. i just recently saw hugo in standard projection at a theatre that had both versions playing.
- krig 15y ago
  It's yet another reason to stay away from cinemas, not the only reason. The non-3D versions that do play around here tend to play in the smaller salons, and for example in the case of Tintin, only the swedish dubbed version plays as non-3D. So to see the film with original sound I either see it in 3D or see it at home.
DrStalker 15y ago
I hear a lot of complaints about 3D being blurrey and dim, but in my experience (Sydney Australia, cinemas near the CBD) 3D movies are always done on the newer digital projectors and are bright, vibrant and extremely sharp. 2D on those same projectors is also sharp, and while the glasses may block half the light getting through it only takes a few seconds for my eyes to adjust and it looks just as bright again, but with a nicer colour depth. Are other locations in the world using old/poorly maintained/incorrectly configured projectors from 3D?
- krig 15y ago
  Here in Sweden, that has been my experience (blurriness, dimness). Sadly, we have a cinema monopoly around here and I am guessing that they are saving money by undercranking the projector bulbs.
naner 15y ago
Your bad experiences aren't universal. If the movie is specifically shot for 3D then it shouldn't be blurry, the limitations of the technology (and our eyes) is well known and accounted for. As for it being too dim, you might have problems with your theater not operating the light at the required brightness level (the bulbs are expensive will last much longer if they are dimmed a bit).

by krig 15y ago

JonnieCache 15y ago

>I can't figure out if Peter Jackson is genuinely excited about 3D or if he's in some kind of reality distortion field where 3D will save the art of cinema. I imagine he has no choice, that the studios stipulate he must use and promote 3D to get the funding. The studios want it, like you say, because they think it will encourage people to go to cinemas again. If you saw Scorsese promoting his new flick recently on the Daily Show, he opined at length about the wonderful cinematographical benefits of 3D, and it didn't ring true at all. It definitely seemed like he was obliged, perhaps contractually, to say it.

AndrewDucker 15y ago
I saw Hugo in 3D and Martin Scorcese made it look _amazing_. I have never seen it look as good as he managed. I don't know how he comes across in interviews, but he is clearly a virtuoso with it in practice.
- ghotli 15y ago
  I came here to say basically the same thing. It can be used as a subtle effect to add a great deal to the depth of the setting. I feel like it's just another added dimension of cinematography.
bmuon 15y ago
> I imagine he has no choice I think so as well. Back when Guillermo del Toro was going to direct it, he posted in The One Ring forums saying they didn't any interest in 3D at the moment, but "If after AVATAR the market may change and demands are put upon us, etc that is in the future". http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_threaded;post=212078;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;guest=9426799 http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi...

RandallBrown 15y ago

I've always really liked 3D movies when it's well done. I thought it really made Avatar more amazing and it gave Alice in Wonderland an even more other worldly effect. Most animated movies turn out really well too. Of course, most movies aren't filmed with 3D in mind and it is crappily added in post. Those suck.

EvilTrout 15y ago
Actually Alice in Wonderland's 3D was done in post.
- pbhjpbhj 15y ago
  But was shot as a 3D movie apparently, Wikipedia: 'Sony Pictures Imageworks designed the visual effects sequences.[54] Burton felt 3D was appropriate to the story's environment.[11] Burton and Zanuck chose to film with conventional cameras, and convert the footage into 3D during post-production; Zanuck explained 3D cameras were too expensive and "clumsy" to use, and they felt that there was no difference between converted footage and those shot in the format.[55] James Cameron, who released his 3D film Avatar in December 2009, criticized the choice, stating, "It doesn't make any sense to shoot in 2-D and convert to 3-D".[56]'
- RandallBrown 15y ago
  Yes, but it was done very well.
tomjen3 15y ago
Agreed. Sometimes HN seems like a bunch of hipsters -- yes it can be done incorrectly, but by that token you shouldn't ever use color (and all movies should be silent). 3D is an enabling technology. It will not prevent bad films from being made, anymore than Ruby will prevent bad developers from creating a mess.
- gamble 15y ago
  Current 3D technology results in a dramatic loss of picture quality. In theory they're supposed to compensate for the brightness reduction by cranking up the projector, but I've yet to see a 3D film that wasn't dramatically murkier than the 2D version. You also get terrible judder. And, for people like myself that wear glasses, the fact that no movie theatre distributes polarized glasses designed to fit around a pair of glasses means that I usually have difficulty focusing and get awful eyestrain. I don't have a problem with the idea of 3D, per se, but its implementation has made watching films in a theatre very frustrating and uncomfortable.

libraryatnight 15y ago

In the production video blogs he seems legitimately excited sometimes, and other times it's like the people on the blog are in a commercial for 3D. We do see Alan Lee and John Howe illustrating and story boarding in 3D which is cool. As a side note, it's insane to watch those production videos: I remember Jackson saying they have 48 RED cameras (2 per rig), it shows them scouting locations in 5 helicopters, and it's amazing to see the amount of people and work going into making the movies. First video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjMEYjCNGmg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjMEYjCNGmg&feature=relat... (there are 4 so far, I believe)

krig 15y ago
Yeah, I saw that and I still can't make up my mind about it. I mean, I can see how it's a shiny new toy and it must be great to get to play around with all this amazing technology. At the same time, the Lee/Howe concept art in 3D stuff seemed more like a gag. But yeah, it's an incredible setup and a ridiculous amount of money being spent. Would be fun to have a pair of RED cameras to play around with... I just don't know if I want to pay to see the result in a cinema.
snowwrestler 15y ago
That part about them hand-illustrating in 3D was a joke. They show one guy working on the red version and one on the blue, side by side. There's no way they could do that precisely enough to actually produce a 3D image by hand.

there 15y ago

I can't speak for everyone, but for me it is just another reason to wait and watch the film at home. why wait? i can't think of any 3D movies that have been released lately that didn't also come out in a regular version. there are a ton of theatres that don't have 3D projectors and a lot of people don't like it or don't want to pay the extra money to see it in 3D. i just recently saw hugo in standard projection at a theatre that had both versions playing.

krig 15y ago
It's yet another reason to stay away from cinemas, not the only reason. The non-3D versions that do play around here tend to play in the smaller salons, and for example in the case of Tintin, only the swedish dubbed version plays as non-3D. So to see the film with original sound I either see it in 3D or see it at home.

DrStalker 15y ago

I hear a lot of complaints about 3D being blurrey and dim, but in my experience (Sydney Australia, cinemas near the CBD) 3D movies are always done on the newer digital projectors and are bright, vibrant and extremely sharp. 2D on those same projectors is also sharp, and while the glasses may block half the light getting through it only takes a few seconds for my eyes to adjust and it looks just as bright again, but with a nicer colour depth. Are other locations in the world using old/poorly maintained/incorrectly configured projectors from 3D?

krig 15y ago
Here in Sweden, that has been my experience (blurriness, dimness). Sadly, we have a cinema monopoly around here and I am guessing that they are saving money by undercranking the projector bulbs.

naner 15y ago

Your bad experiences aren't universal. If the movie is specifically shot for 3D then it shouldn't be blurry, the limitations of the technology (and our eyes) is well known and accounted for. As for it being too dim, you might have problems with your theater not operating the light at the required brightness level (the bulbs are expensive will last much longer if they are dimmed a bit).