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Even after the upgrade it's less than 500hp. Sub-500hp in a 100k luxury car in 2022 is just insulting. Edit: JFC people. I'm not endorsing spending $100k on a

Even after the upgrade it's less than 500hp. Sub-500hp in a 100k luxury car in 2022 is just insulting. Edit: JFC people. I'm not endorsing spending $100k on a car. I'm saying even if you do it's still a pretty bad deal since it fails to meet the high baseline that is expected of luxury vehicles. WTF did I do to draw your ire?

arielweisberg 4y ago
Cayman/Boxster and 911 look around nervously.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  I almost added a carve out for "unless it's some Miata-esque" lightweight roadster. But on the other hand I guess the Caymen and Boxster are pretty fat these days.
- slaw 4y ago
  And they should.
  - hello639 4y ago
    > And they should. Nah, even the Porsche Cayman is more prestigious than the Tesla Plaid.
- brookst 4y ago
  At drag strips, yes. But there have always been faster straight-line cars. The EQE weighs 5300lbs. The EQS weighs 6200lbs. It is amazing and impressive how quickly they can accelerate, but inertia is still a thing and those things are not going to be even remotely nimble. By comparison, the 911 at its heaviest (AWD, convertible) is 3800lbs. A porker for sure, but most configs are closer to 3400lbs. And a Porsche Cayman weighs between 3000 - 3200lbs depending on trim. Unless/until batteries get a lot lighter, even heavy GTs don’t have a lot to be nervous about in the fun-to-drive category.
  - someweirdperson 4y ago
    With EVs that 500+ hp fun ends 15 minutes later with a break to recharge. That's pretty much useless in any case. A fun EV would first of all be non-SUV but low air drag, non-luxury, non anything that's not needed to move. But even that would only provide higher possible cruising speeds compared to other EVs, but still inferior to ICEs.
    - brookst 4y ago
      Yeah, two dimensions there: useful time at high power, and cornering ability / agility. Time isn’t a huge concern to me at least. Typical sports cars get maybe 50-100 miles on a tank of gas at a track day, and breaks are nice anyway. Even spirited driving on mountain roads isn’t nearly that tough; you can’t use 500hp all that often. But that weight…. Ugh. I’m interested to see the new Tesla roadster, but it’s probably still >4000lbs. And weight just takes the fun out of anything.
lm28469 4y ago
I find it more insulting that people spend 100k+ in a computer on wheels than the fact it doesn't have 1990 supercar performances
frontiersummit 4y ago
People buy cars with that much power as a "flex," not because they are regularly hooning around in them. A $100k+ vehicle with a Mercedes badge is enough of a flex already, and flexing towards a different crowd regardless, so the additional power is not necessary.
- josefresco 4y ago
  > A $100k+ vehicle with a Mercedes badge is enough of a flex already AMG would like a word: there's always a bigger flex.
  - dndvr 4y ago
    Laughs in Brabus
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  Regardless, it's kind of assumed that $100k worth of "flex" comes with a pretty high minimum amount of any given quality. My complaint would still stand if it had 1000hp and manual windows and seats.
- frumper 4y ago
  This just made me think of the last DoorDash driver I had sporting a large Mercedes badge on the front when he pulled up and seeing all the Hyundai branding on the rest of the car as he pulled away.

arielweisberg 4y ago

Cayman/Boxster and 911 look around nervously.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
I almost added a carve out for "unless it's some Miata-esque" lightweight roadster. But on the other hand I guess the Caymen and Boxster are pretty fat these days.
slaw 4y ago
And they should.
- hello639 4y ago
  > And they should. Nah, even the Porsche Cayman is more prestigious than the Tesla Plaid.
brookst 4y ago
At drag strips, yes. But there have always been faster straight-line cars. The EQE weighs 5300lbs. The EQS weighs 6200lbs. It is amazing and impressive how quickly they can accelerate, but inertia is still a thing and those things are not going to be even remotely nimble. By comparison, the 911 at its heaviest (AWD, convertible) is 3800lbs. A porker for sure, but most configs are closer to 3400lbs. And a Porsche Cayman weighs between 3000 - 3200lbs depending on trim. Unless/until batteries get a lot lighter, even heavy GTs don’t have a lot to be nervous about in the fun-to-drive category.
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  With EVs that 500+ hp fun ends 15 minutes later with a break to recharge. That's pretty much useless in any case. A fun EV would first of all be non-SUV but low air drag, non-luxury, non anything that's not needed to move. But even that would only provide higher possible cruising speeds compared to other EVs, but still inferior to ICEs.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Yeah, two dimensions there: useful time at high power, and cornering ability / agility. Time isn’t a huge concern to me at least. Typical sports cars get maybe 50-100 miles on a tank of gas at a track day, and breaks are nice anyway. Even spirited driving on mountain roads isn’t nearly that tough; you can’t use 500hp all that often. But that weight…. Ugh. I’m interested to see the new Tesla roadster, but it’s probably still >4000lbs. And weight just takes the fun out of anything.

lm28469 4y ago

I find it more insulting that people spend 100k+ in a computer on wheels than the fact it doesn't have 1990 supercar performances

frontiersummit 4y ago

People buy cars with that much power as a "flex," not because they are regularly hooning around in them. A $100k+ vehicle with a Mercedes badge is enough of a flex already, and flexing towards a different crowd regardless, so the additional power is not necessary.

josefresco 4y ago
> A $100k+ vehicle with a Mercedes badge is enough of a flex already AMG would like a word: there's always a bigger flex.
- dndvr 4y ago
  Laughs in Brabus
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Regardless, it's kind of assumed that $100k worth of "flex" comes with a pretty high minimum amount of any given quality. My complaint would still stand if it had 1000hp and manual windows and seats.
frumper 4y ago
This just made me think of the last DoorDash driver I had sporting a large Mercedes badge on the front when he pulled up and seeing all the Hyundai branding on the rest of the car as he pulled away.