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I found most of this to be quite "objective" and not really related to design decisions. Most of it very subtle, I agree, but I think it's hard to argue agains

I found most of this to be quite "objective" and not really related to design decisions. Most of it very subtle, I agree, but I think it's hard to argue against any of the questions being subjective.

maxerickson 4y ago
The Invite/Skip being better with the buttons being different is pretty subjective. It's basically a dark pattern highlighting the invite action.
- pvinis 4y ago
  YES! I came here to say that. I pressed the option with both buttons being blue. Ugly? Yes. Respectful to me as a user? Very much yes. Making a dark pattern look good is not helping the user.
  - layer8 4y ago
    Arguably, anything with “Skip” is a bad/dark pattern, and thus shouldn’t be occurring at all here.
- layer8 4y ago
  Yes, it would have been better with something like Save/Cancel.
threecoins 4y ago
Insisting that "last seen 2h ago" online indicator being green and nothing else, requiring border radius for text boxes etc are not objective in any way.
smaudet 4y ago
As others mentioned there were dark patterns presented as 'more correct' - there were also several stylistic choices which are entirely subjective - a major one being border radius. Yeah, it looks nice, but so do nice clean rectangular edges. This test is missing context, in that sense it is pretty subjective. Some of the alignment issued were fairly objective, many of them were not, e.g. some vertical alignment ones. Ofc you want consistent alignment, but you simply can't look at two images to figure out what is 'correct'. That's a design decision.
- saurik 4y ago
  I am pretty sure the border radius examples were actually not "it should have one" but where the alternative had inconsistent border radius.
- mcint 4y ago
  Well characterized. You've summarized here the more clear cut examples of smuggling meaning of "correct" by presenting them all in the same context, from "consistent alignment" to beknighted stylistic choice and further to manufactured consent. Perhaps these claims are the result of A/B testing and measuring differential engagement. In which case: Cool! That we lowly internet addicts can guess or determine the most effective from design rules, aesthetic preferences, and stockholm syndrome (kidding, a little).
- LanceH 4y ago
  Resizing the image of the guitar to fill the space was "correct" over showing the whole image. In the context of someone selling something, seeing the whole image before clicking through would be important, versus potentially having the object of the photo being cropped out entirely. There were several where the text between the two appeared to be different, but resolved to the same during compare.
  - mcint 4y ago
    Haha! Twitter image preview would beg to differ indeed. It's a hard problem. But you don't get to be a hard engineer without solving hard problems without any help. Just toughen up and study. :/s
glitchc 4y ago
Square corners versus rounded corners is objective?
Supermancho 4y ago
The icon consistency check is subjectively scored, as the "correct" version is undeniably bad design. The solid camera icon is off-center (it looks smaller, mangled), but the hollow versions of the mic and camera effectively communicate if they are "on" or not and are sized correctly.

I found most of this to be quite "objective" and not really related to design decisions. Most of it very subtle, I agree, but I think it's hard to argue against any of the questions being subjective.

maxerickson 4y ago

The Invite/Skip being better with the buttons being different is pretty subjective. It's basically a dark pattern highlighting the invite action.

pvinis 4y ago
YES! I came here to say that. I pressed the option with both buttons being blue. Ugly? Yes. Respectful to me as a user? Very much yes. Making a dark pattern look good is not helping the user.
- layer8 4y ago
  Arguably, anything with “Skip” is a bad/dark pattern, and thus shouldn’t be occurring at all here.
layer8 4y ago
Yes, it would have been better with something like Save/Cancel.

threecoins 4y ago

Insisting that "last seen 2h ago" online indicator being green and nothing else, requiring border radius for text boxes etc are not objective in any way.

smaudet 4y ago

As others mentioned there were dark patterns presented as 'more correct' - there were also several stylistic choices which are entirely subjective - a major one being border radius. Yeah, it looks nice, but so do nice clean rectangular edges. This test is missing context, in that sense it is pretty subjective. Some of the alignment issued were fairly objective, many of them were not, e.g. some vertical alignment ones. Ofc you want consistent alignment, but you simply can't look at two images to figure out what is 'correct'. That's a design decision.

saurik 4y ago
I am pretty sure the border radius examples were actually not "it should have one" but where the alternative had inconsistent border radius.
mcint 4y ago
Well characterized. You've summarized here the more clear cut examples of smuggling meaning of "correct" by presenting them all in the same context, from "consistent alignment" to beknighted stylistic choice and further to manufactured consent. Perhaps these claims are the result of A/B testing and measuring differential engagement. In which case: Cool! That we lowly internet addicts can guess or determine the most effective from design rules, aesthetic preferences, and stockholm syndrome (kidding, a little).
LanceH 4y ago
Resizing the image of the guitar to fill the space was "correct" over showing the whole image. In the context of someone selling something, seeing the whole image before clicking through would be important, versus potentially having the object of the photo being cropped out entirely. There were several where the text between the two appeared to be different, but resolved to the same during compare.
- mcint 4y ago
  Haha! Twitter image preview would beg to differ indeed. It's a hard problem. But you don't get to be a hard engineer without solving hard problems without any help. Just toughen up and study. :/s

glitchc 4y ago

Square corners versus rounded corners is objective?

Supermancho 4y ago

The icon consistency check is subjectively scored, as the "correct" version is undeniably bad design. The solid camera icon is off-center (it looks smaller, mangled), but the hollow versions of the mic and camera effectively communicate if they are "on" or not and are sized correctly.