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Good. This is by far the world cup I've been less excited about, both because it counts as whitewash for the Qatar government and for how corrupt FIFA is.

by hfbff 4y ago

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Fezzik 4y ago
Seconded. I love soccer. I fondly remember waking up at 3:00 a.m. to watch many of the 1998 World Cup games. I think I have watched every single game since then. I know it is a small gesture, but I will not be watching a single match this go-round. The direct support of and kowtowing to such a corrupt government is disgusting.
- jmclnx 4y ago
  with all the other issues in that country, I would like to see many teams hop back on the plane and say we will fly to another country, India, Australia, South America or somewhere else and compete there. Or at the very least withdraw.
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jmclnx 4y ago
Plus the scam Qatar forced upon inBev, originally beer was suppose to be sold in the stadium, which they paid ~75m for, then in the last minute Qatar said "no beer sales in the stadium". Now I have no issues with restricting alcohol and even banning it, but with that last minute about face after taking money from that company, I think they are at least do a refund plus interest.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  Beer lasts for a while. I don't see how there are damages and losses here. Inbev is a major supporter of Fifa. They did not give money to the Qatari govt. If anything, there is a more healthier society because kids can now go to games as well. In fact they should have announced long time ago. More people would have attended the games.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    Kids could always go to games. The vast majority of people, even amongst the drinkers, are civil and respectful. Episodes of violence in world cups are few and far between.
    - nashashmi 4y ago
      The vast majority of drinkers should be kept away from children. The drinking brits would like to know how you came to that conclusion.
      - smcl 4y ago
        Interesting to mention Britain, where drinking in football stadia has not been permitted since the 1980s. Bit of an "own goal" so to speak :)
        nashashmi 4y ago
        Haha. That owns everyone commenting here. So the pictures of drinking brits fighting is actually from a rugby event? Who knew. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59402277 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59402277
        smcl 4y ago
        There are no pictures of people fighting in that article. This thread is not going well for you :-P
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tsol 4y ago
How is this different from China hosting the winter Olympics or Russia before that? I fail to see how this is anything but arbitrarily treating others worse. The USA literally has an exception to the slavery amendment for prison labor
- bogota 4y ago
  How is this arbitrarily treating them worse? We have a reason to do so and we can if we wish. Justice is rarely ever applied evenly so should we not apply it at all?
  - kelthuzad 4y ago
    In China people are put in concentration camps, but they hosted the winter Olympics without this much fuss, so that certainly qualify as arbitrarily treating them worse.
    - bobthepanda 4y ago
      There was definitely a lot of fuss around China and Xinjiang. The US did not send a delegation to the Olympics. https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-boycott-2022-beijing-winter-olympics https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-boycott-2022-beijing-win... The Qatari debacle is more focused though, because the controversy is directly affecting the players and the spectators (in particular the schedule shift and the alcohol row)
      - kelthuzad 4y ago
        There is definitely much more fuss about this across MSM esp. in Europe. Being more upset at lacking alcohol at a sports event over being upset at the existence of concentration camps in China is quite something. There is some palpable hypocrisy that's apparent if one holistically compares the coverage.
        jemmyw 4y ago
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nashashmi 4y ago
Much of the news you have been getting is promoted by the enemies of Qatar which include UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and all of their allies including Israel and the US. Don't be fooled.
- hfbff 4y ago
  So the tens of thousand of migrant workers didn't die?
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    More accurately, people did die and they made changes to work force labor Practices. In their parliament, they noted that despite acknowledging some of the criticisms were valid and having made corresponding changes, they still faced even more severe criticisms, of which some were incredible exaggerations bordering in lies. And realized that this was a targeted media attack motivated by their enemies.
jedimind 4y ago
Is this the same BBC that's quick to whitewash Israeli apartheid policies? The corruption of FIFA was apparent for a long time, yet it's only now that certain governments seem to loudly voice their criticism. Don't get me wrong, some of the criticisms of Qatari policies esp. regarding migrant workers is perfectly valid, but seeing the criticism coming from certain groups that are actively being apologetic for worse crimes[0] reeks of dishonest motivations. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  No, people raised concerns about the Qatari selection almost immediately. It’s just come up in the news cycle again because it is now actually happening. Most of the FIFA officials involved have been indicted for a while.
  - kelthuzad 4y ago
    I don't think that he was necessarily talking about the timing of the criticism but the target that triggered it while the groups that are now preaching certain values when they are actively betraying those values in action and coverage in similar scenarios.
- seydor 4y ago
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- lamontcg 4y ago
  "But what about Israel" is literally whataboutism.
hef19898 4y ago
Let's hope this peak of FIFA corruption and unabetted greed will result in some changes in football. The Premier League already lost a couple of rich Russians, if we now see less oil money "investors" buying a whitewashed reputation through sports, maybe just maybe, athletes can critisize countries like Qatar or China. Would only be good. That being said, I don't care who will be World Champion 2022. Nor will I watch a single match.
powerapple 4y ago
every non-white country needs whitewash, because whites control the world. It is a fact. That's the reason countries bid for these events, olympic or world cup or any international events. It is sad that many years after colonism ended, developing world still have to put on these acts.
- hfbff 4y ago
  Is this a play on words? At least how I understand the word, "whitewash" doesn't have a racial reference. The countries that need a whitewash are the ones that have really bad human rights abuse (or, in this case, a country that let tens of thousands of people die building the very same stadiums that are being used). That's not related to being white in any systematic way
  - powerapple 4y ago
    The fact is the system is designed by white countries (previous colonizers), they control the voice people hear, how the money flows, and how countries are manipulated. It is a large system. Developing countries have to play the same game. Why would a country build stadiums to whitewash the deaths of labours during the construction of stadiums? It is the same system British designed to control colonies: carrot and stick, weaken them, make sure they are dependent on you, and then you control it. Would west boycott energy from the middle east? Almost all resources in middle east are controlled by western companies one way or another. The media and government play different roles to serve the same purpose, to control the world.

Good. This is by far the world cup I've been less excited about, both because it counts as whitewash for the Qatar government and for how corrupt FIFA is.

by hfbff 4y ago

Good. This is by far the world cup I've been less excited about, both because it counts as whitewash for the Qatar government and for how corrupt FIFA is.

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Fezzik 4y ago

Seconded. I love soccer. I fondly remember waking up at 3:00 a.m. to watch many of the 1998 World Cup games. I think I have watched every single game since then. I know it is a small gesture, but I will not be watching a single match this go-round. The direct support of and kowtowing to such a corrupt government is disgusting.

jmclnx 4y ago
with all the other issues in that country, I would like to see many teams hop back on the plane and say we will fly to another country, India, Australia, South America or somewhere else and compete there. Or at the very least withdraw.

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jmclnx 4y ago

Plus the scam Qatar forced upon inBev, originally beer was suppose to be sold in the stadium, which they paid ~75m for, then in the last minute Qatar said "no beer sales in the stadium". Now I have no issues with restricting alcohol and even banning it, but with that last minute about face after taking money from that company, I think they are at least do a refund plus interest.

nashashmi 4y ago
Beer lasts for a while. I don't see how there are damages and losses here. Inbev is a major supporter of Fifa. They did not give money to the Qatari govt. If anything, there is a more healthier society because kids can now go to games as well. In fact they should have announced long time ago. More people would have attended the games.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  Kids could always go to games. The vast majority of people, even amongst the drinkers, are civil and respectful. Episodes of violence in world cups are few and far between.
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    The vast majority of drinkers should be kept away from children. The drinking brits would like to know how you came to that conclusion.
    - smcl 4y ago
      Interesting to mention Britain, where drinking in football stadia has not been permitted since the 1980s. Bit of an "own goal" so to speak :)
      - nashashmi 4y ago
        Haha. That owns everyone commenting here. So the pictures of drinking brits fighting is actually from a rugby event? Who knew. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59402277 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59402277
        smcl 4y ago
        There are no pictures of people fighting in that article. This thread is not going well for you :-P

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tsol 4y ago

How is this different from China hosting the winter Olympics or Russia before that? I fail to see how this is anything but arbitrarily treating others worse. The USA literally has an exception to the slavery amendment for prison labor

bogota 4y ago
How is this arbitrarily treating them worse? We have a reason to do so and we can if we wish. Justice is rarely ever applied evenly so should we not apply it at all?
- kelthuzad 4y ago
  In China people are put in concentration camps, but they hosted the winter Olympics without this much fuss, so that certainly qualify as arbitrarily treating them worse.
  - bobthepanda 4y ago
    There was definitely a lot of fuss around China and Xinjiang. The US did not send a delegation to the Olympics. https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-boycott-2022-beijing-winter-olympics https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-boycott-2022-beijing-win... The Qatari debacle is more focused though, because the controversy is directly affecting the players and the spectators (in particular the schedule shift and the alcohol row)
    - kelthuzad 4y ago
      There is definitely much more fuss about this across MSM esp. in Europe. Being more upset at lacking alcohol at a sports event over being upset at the existence of concentration camps in China is quite something. There is some palpable hypocrisy that's apparent if one holistically compares the coverage.
      - jemmyw 4y ago

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nashashmi 4y ago

Much of the news you have been getting is promoted by the enemies of Qatar which include UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and all of their allies including Israel and the US. Don't be fooled.

hfbff 4y ago
So the tens of thousand of migrant workers didn't die?
- nashashmi 4y ago
  More accurately, people did die and they made changes to work force labor Practices. In their parliament, they noted that despite acknowledging some of the criticisms were valid and having made corresponding changes, they still faced even more severe criticisms, of which some were incredible exaggerations bordering in lies. And realized that this was a targeted media attack motivated by their enemies.

jedimind 4y ago

Is this the same BBC that's quick to whitewash Israeli apartheid policies? The corruption of FIFA was apparent for a long time, yet it's only now that certain governments seem to loudly voice their criticism. Don't get me wrong, some of the criticisms of Qatari policies esp. regarding migrant workers is perfectly valid, but seeing the criticism coming from certain groups that are actively being apologetic for worse crimes[0] reeks of dishonest motivations. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...

bobthepanda 4y ago
No, people raised concerns about the Qatari selection almost immediately. It’s just come up in the news cycle again because it is now actually happening. Most of the FIFA officials involved have been indicted for a while.
- kelthuzad 4y ago
  I don't think that he was necessarily talking about the timing of the criticism but the target that triggered it while the groups that are now preaching certain values when they are actively betraying those values in action and coverage in similar scenarios.
seydor 4y ago
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lamontcg 4y ago
"But what about Israel" is literally whataboutism.

hef19898 4y ago

Let's hope this peak of FIFA corruption and unabetted greed will result in some changes in football. The Premier League already lost a couple of rich Russians, if we now see less oil money "investors" buying a whitewashed reputation through sports, maybe just maybe, athletes can critisize countries like Qatar or China. Would only be good. That being said, I don't care who will be World Champion 2022. Nor will I watch a single match.

powerapple 4y ago

every non-white country needs whitewash, because whites control the world. It is a fact. That's the reason countries bid for these events, olympic or world cup or any international events. It is sad that many years after colonism ended, developing world still have to put on these acts.

hfbff 4y ago
Is this a play on words? At least how I understand the word, "whitewash" doesn't have a racial reference. The countries that need a whitewash are the ones that have really bad human rights abuse (or, in this case, a country that let tens of thousands of people die building the very same stadiums that are being used). That's not related to being white in any systematic way
- powerapple 4y ago
  The fact is the system is designed by white countries (previous colonizers), they control the voice people hear, how the money flows, and how countries are manipulated. It is a large system. Developing countries have to play the same game. Why would a country build stadiums to whitewash the deaths of labours during the construction of stadiums? It is the same system British designed to control colonies: carrot and stick, weaken them, make sure they are dependent on you, and then you control it. Would west boycott energy from the middle east? Almost all resources in middle east are controlled by western companies one way or another. The media and government play different roles to serve the same purpose, to control the world.