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In a virtualized world there's no consequences. It sounds counter-intuitive but I think that would be worse off because something in the virtualized environment
by nickjj 4y ago
In a virtualized world there's no consequences. It sounds counter-intuitive but I think that would be worse off because something in the virtualized environment might give you false confidence in the real world and that has serious implications for not just yourself but others.
When you're first learning to drive, think about how cautious you were when you put your car out of park for the first time. Chances are you barely touched the gas and inched forward while you discovered how much pressure it takes to accelerate or stop. You probably treated it like you were stepping foot on an alien world for the first time. A mode in your brain flipped that said "we're not screwing around here, this is actually happening".
I think simulators work for specialized things like flying because the stakes are high for tiny mistakes. If you flip the wrong switch or do something slightly wrong you might not only die but you'll also destroy potentially months or years of research and tens of millions of dollars.
Driving a car on the regular road has a different type of stakes. You can kill yourself and hundreds of others just by driving a few hundred feet in some places but the act of driving itself is much more forgiving for tiny mistakes.
- codexjourneys 4y agoCompletely agree with this; it should not be experienced as a videogame, it should be experienced as a real responsibility as in, "This is what I'm 100% focused on because it's the most important thing I'm doing right now."
- Supermancho 4y agoI was shocked at how similar real world driving was to SuperMario Cart. I find it illogical to assume adding the stress of real dangers, on top of learning basic motor controls and car physics is somehow better for all parties.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoIdeally you dont learn basic motor controls in real dangerous situation. You do something like go to an empty parking lot and figure out how they work before getting on the road.
- simne 4y agoIn SuperMario Cart also exist toxic drivers? In real life, I have license more than 20 years, but I still avoid some parts of city, because there people drive extremely nervous, I don't like to paint scratches after been there :)
- deafpolygon 4y ago> In SuperMario Cart also exist toxic drivers? yes, damned bowser...
- simne 4y agoWow! Games each day closer to reality, but I'm not sure, this will make me more happy :)
- solardev 4y agoIs there any evidence to back this up?
- nickjj 4y agoI didn't check. I have an "I think" in there because it was my personal opinion after spending a few minutes thinking about it after reading the title of this Ask HN thread. It was interesting because it made me think "that's true, why don't we have them?" so I replied.
- solardev 4y agoIt's a fair hypothesis, just wondering if there was research analyzing it.
- hermitcrab 4y agoI am only suggesting the first few hours are in a simulator. Just enough to get basic familiarity with the controls, road positioning etc. Certainly I don't think this would make the young me overconfident on their first real driving session.
- nobodyandproud 4y agoWhat if we use VR goggles? Egregiously bad behavior is punished by inducing nausea and motion sickness.
- kazinator 4y ago> In a virtualized world there's no consequences. ... so let's have pilots use simulators, but not drivers?
- iamwpj 4y agoI think the pilots focus on simulators to manage controls not learn to fly per se. I know there's a lot of overlap in the concepts, but it can be as simple as: flying is more complicated so you have to add extra steps to deal with situations appropriately.
- LoveMortuus 4y agoI don't think there really a right answer because I had a car accident while I was still learning and driving with the instructor. While the accident wasn't my fault, since my car wasn't moving and I was rammed from the back, physical injuries still occurred, my instructor hurt him back, luckily I wasn't injured, but our car was no longer drivable. While the person that rammed me only said that they didn't see me and that such things happen. From the point of view that your life is at probably greater risk, while learning to drive, I think the simulators could have a role in the learning process. But I do 100% agree with you that simulation does not represent the experience of real life.