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people who can get pregnant people who menstruate people with uteruses these people all have commonality, but they have been stripped of a unifying word for
by whateveracct 4y ago
people who can get pregnant
people who menstruate
people with uteruses
these people all have commonality, but they have been stripped of a unifying word for themselves
- detaro 4y agoPlenty cis women are not in the group of people with all these characteristics (and while there attempts to deny them womanhood on that basis, those are also generally considered a very bad thing to do)
- wang_li 4y ago
- nicoburns 4y agoIt's true that binary concepts of gender are gross oversimplifications. But that's just as true of binary gender defined by identity as it is of binary gender defined by sex. My take it that we ought to be ought be consistent and allow either both or neither.
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- codefreeordie 4y agoAnd how do you know that these women identify as "cis"? Just because you want to assign the word "cis" to some women doesn't mean that they identify that way
- detaro 4y agoStatement remains true if you exclude all women who don't consider themselves cis.
- anon291 4y agoWhat does it possibly mean to 'deny' womanhood? There's no womanhood department that hands out womanhood or manhood in little goodie bags. This is a completely meaningless term.
- vharuck 4y agoNatal female
- forty 4y agoXX-individual ?
- antiterra 4y agoThere’s documentation of (extremely rare) cases where XY karyotype individuals were fertile and had natural pregnancies.
- int_19h 4y ago"Women-born-women" is a term sometimes used among trans-exclusionary feminists. That very use made it - and similar-sounding terms - very much non-neutral.
- nathanaldensr 4y agoThey haven't been stripped at all. Nearly every person on earth calls them "women."
- wolfendin 4y agoUsing those first two definitions excludes any woman who’s gone through menopause, which is about two billion people
- joe_the_user 4y ago"Stripped"? Really? Because typical bureaucratic literature has added one more abstraction? Health literature and other bureaucratic literature is chock full of abstraction and euphemisms. The entire edifice is aesthetically unpleasant and euphemisms broadly are sometimes used to let bureaucrats get away with terrible thing (see George Orwell talking of "population relocation" in Politics and The English Language). But I don't see the euphemisms targeted here doing any real damage. I mean "not saying things I think should be said" only qualifies as harm if you abuse language far more than these changes do.
- nicoburns 4y agoIt's the inconsistency that gets me. If we have to say "people who menstruate" and "people with uteruses" for physical sex characteristics because "women" isn't precise enough, then shouldn't we also say "people who feel like women", "people who conform to feminine social norms" etc rather than "women" for the social aspects of gender. They aren't binary either, so "women" is no more accurate.