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I'm not a Twitter person so seeing this "Mastodon good, Twitter bad" again and again on HN is really tiring. Mastodon fails because of UX issues, this is not a

I'm not a Twitter person so seeing this "Mastodon good, Twitter bad" again and again on HN is really tiring. Mastodon fails because of UX issues, this is not a FOSS issue. I love and support FOSS but Mastodon as a project is trying to provide a bubble as an alternative to another bubble. It does not make the situation better if people still are stressing out over ideologies of other users on the internet. I guess I'm too tired of social media in general, it's usually fueled by rage-bait, creating ideological bubbles and make people think the end is near just because there are people with different opinions and experiences.

oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
Not all bubbles are bad though. Hacker News is very much a bubble. Mastodon looks like a collection of bubbles, some small, some big, with movement allowed between them.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  And you're absolutely right but the problem right now is, people aren't moving to Mastodon because it's a better service as far as UI and UX are considered (which are the hallmarks of a good product). They are moving to Mastodon because of disagreements with the owner of Twitter for the most part. I was on Mastodon before anybody knew what it was and I mostly found out niche communities and it was good for people who liked that sort of thing. But now, the move is based on hate towards the ideologies of certain people (in this case Elon Musk) instead of the incompetency of the software itself. I do not agree with Elon Musk's many ideas and I'm not much involved in the Twitter drama because I'm not a user either but as far as I can see, Mastodon's current popularity is based on the ability of people to hate Elon Musk, not Twitter.
  - plonk 4y ago
    A lot of migration is fuelled by Musk firing XX% of Twitter's workforce, and several competent people (former SREs at big tech corps, systems engineers) posting threads that predict huge technical issues in the near future. Some also just leave because they don't like Musk, sure. Personally I'm happy to have an alternative that's somewhat decentralized, where I can pack up and move while keeping my whole network if I don't like how such or such sysadmin behaves.
    - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
      > Personally I'm happy to have an alternative that's somewhat decentralized, where I can pack up and move while keeping my whole network if I don't like how such or such sysadmin behaves. I'm always happy with alternatives, especially FOSS ones and I like what the community has created too. It's just that, I'd have been happier if people moved to Mastodon for its ideas on decentralization and tech instead of Elon Musk.
      - plonk 4y ago
        And I'd be happy if companies supported Linux because they like free software and not for economic reasons, but the end result is still traction for Linux, so I'm not complaining.
  - oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
    > They are moving to Mastodon because of disagreements with the owner of Twitter for the most part. Actually, I have no doubt some are doing that, but from my twitter perspective, most are actually doing it because they expect twitter to end or, otherwise, become unusable or be abandoned by too many others. Many aren't moving to Mastodon so much as creating accounts there just in case — then continuing to use twitter for the moment. Musk's acquisition is absolutely fuelling this, but the cause for movement is less ideological and more pragmatic, IME.

oneeyedpigeon 4y ago

Not all bubbles are bad though. Hacker News is very much a bubble. Mastodon looks like a collection of bubbles, some small, some big, with movement allowed between them.

NayamAmarshe 4y ago
And you're absolutely right but the problem right now is, people aren't moving to Mastodon because it's a better service as far as UI and UX are considered (which are the hallmarks of a good product). They are moving to Mastodon because of disagreements with the owner of Twitter for the most part. I was on Mastodon before anybody knew what it was and I mostly found out niche communities and it was good for people who liked that sort of thing. But now, the move is based on hate towards the ideologies of certain people (in this case Elon Musk) instead of the incompetency of the software itself. I do not agree with Elon Musk's many ideas and I'm not much involved in the Twitter drama because I'm not a user either but as far as I can see, Mastodon's current popularity is based on the ability of people to hate Elon Musk, not Twitter.
- plonk 4y ago
  A lot of migration is fuelled by Musk firing XX% of Twitter's workforce, and several competent people (former SREs at big tech corps, systems engineers) posting threads that predict huge technical issues in the near future. Some also just leave because they don't like Musk, sure. Personally I'm happy to have an alternative that's somewhat decentralized, where I can pack up and move while keeping my whole network if I don't like how such or such sysadmin behaves.
  - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
    > Personally I'm happy to have an alternative that's somewhat decentralized, where I can pack up and move while keeping my whole network if I don't like how such or such sysadmin behaves. I'm always happy with alternatives, especially FOSS ones and I like what the community has created too. It's just that, I'd have been happier if people moved to Mastodon for its ideas on decentralization and tech instead of Elon Musk.
    - plonk 4y ago
      And I'd be happy if companies supported Linux because they like free software and not for economic reasons, but the end result is still traction for Linux, so I'm not complaining.
- oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
  > They are moving to Mastodon because of disagreements with the owner of Twitter for the most part. Actually, I have no doubt some are doing that, but from my twitter perspective, most are actually doing it because they expect twitter to end or, otherwise, become unusable or be abandoned by too many others. Many aren't moving to Mastodon so much as creating accounts there just in case — then continuing to use twitter for the moment. Musk's acquisition is absolutely fuelling this, but the cause for movement is less ideological and more pragmatic, IME.