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Hyundai’s Ioniq 6 EV makes its US debut
- fredestine 4y agowhy people would buy this instead of a model 3? serious question
- rdtwo 4y agoSuper efficient but ugly af
- pleb_nz 4y agoIt's different for sure. I wouldn't say it's any uglier than a Tesla though and it looks like it has a few extra tactile buttons inside with is a plus.
- cromka 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes." "Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead."
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- filoleg 4y agoTastes differ. I am way more excited about ioniq 6 design than I am about pretty much any new car released over the past few years, with the exception of the recent Nissan Z redesign.
- jryan49 4y agoAt least tell us what you find ugly about it.
- ianai 4y agoI really want this car but I live in a full size SUV or F150 and above dominated area. Kind of need to be on guard. Plus charging is still too rare to just go and not worry about accommodating.
- josephcsible 4y ago> I really want this car but I live in a full size SUV or F150 and above dominated area. Kind of need to be on guard. This feels like a weird reason to not want a small car. Consider that a lot of highways are dominated by semis, but nobody suggests buying a semi to commute in.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoWhat if one does not spend most of their time driving on highways near 18 wheelers? I would rank getting t boned by a pickup truck running a red light or a stop sign much more likely than me getting into it with an 18 wheeler. Also, the discrepancy between 18 wheeler and individual car (even a large pickup) at highway speeds is so big that trying to mitigate it is pointless. Also, I would assume the probability of a drunk driver driving a pickup truck is much higher than a drunk driver driving an 18 wheeler.
- pleb_nz 4y agoI find it intriguing you call this a small car. Seems like it would be a medium sized car in my part of the world. Minis and Suzuki swifts and the like would considered small cars.
- ianai 4y agoIt's a full size car. I'm seeing 5.7-6.3" ground clearance, too, and they can be fitted with 20" wheels which may be the reason for the 6.3" or maybe it goes higher?. I really do like this car. I just wish I didn't live in fear of being side swiped or rear ended by massive trucks/SUVs. Benefits of living in a rural area with lots of retirees. Notably we also can get snow that shuts the place down in May/September.
- rootusrootus 4y agoI'm impressed with the risks Hyundai has been taking with their design language, especially on the EVs. This car is striking. Love it or hate it, boring it's not.
- randrews9 4y agoThe n vision 74 is particularly striking: https://www.hyundai-n.com/en/models/rolling-lab/n-vision-74.do https://www.hyundai-n.com/en/models/rolling-lab/n-vision-74....
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- malshe 4y agoDamn, that's one sexy car!
- bmitc 4y agoThe Hyundai N Vision 74 really speaks to me. It is apparently inspired by a 1074 Hyundai prototype. I will be very surprised if it doesn't make it into some sci-fi movie soon. Here's a Top Gear video on it. https://youtu.be/FCeqP91QUdI https://youtu.be/FCeqP91QUdI
- germinalphrase 4y agoAbsolutely. Hard to tell one badge from another on the road these days. With this, I love a lot of the design choices in isolation - but as a whole package, I’m not quite sure. I’d need to walk around one. Interior side mirror screens are an interesting UX choice.
- alphabettsy 4y ago> Hard to tell one badge from another on the road these days. Nitpick. When wasn’t this true?
- JamesianP 4y ago
- rasz 4y agoChinese are coming $37K https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ora_Good_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ora_Good_Cat
- bmitc 4y agoWhat does that mean? The Chinese have and have had a huge selection of EVs already.
- bruceb 4y agoI would think the person means coming to the US. They have had EVs for a while but not for export to the US outside of a some hobbyists ordering them.
- bmitc 4y agoOh, I see. Thanks for pointing that out. I have lost track of when NIO is supposedly coming.
- rasz 4y agoIt means Ora aka Great Wall is the first legit Chinese EV car manufacturer (not counting weird tricks like Polestar) starting sales in Europe. https://www.wired.com/review/review-ora-funky-cat/ https://www.wired.com/review/review-ora-funky-cat/ This Chinese EV Shows Why Western Brands Are In Trouble... Fully Charged Show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8HP2dCcElk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8HP2dCcElk
- bmitc 4y agoI have sat and road in a NIO, and it is far and away better than a Tesla. However, I do think most any brand will struggle to keep up with Hyundai and Kia. They are going to be dropping EV models left and right over the next few years, and their early models are already seeing success.
- nichos 4y agoThe Chevy equinox coming out next year will be 300 miles for about $30k
- gtaylor 4y agoDifferent car, but I've been super pleased with my Ioniq 5. The build quality and comfort are much better than the Teslas we were considering.
- ianai 4y agoThey also tend to get significantly better range than stated, right? I've read that from their previous EV models anyway.
- 20after4 4y agoNot an EV, but my 2021 Hyundai Elantra gets around 52mpg on the highway, though it's rated at "Up to 33 city / 43 highway" I've had an overall average of 46mpg with mixed city/highway driving. Hyundai clearly is doing well with efficiency.
- vanilla_nut 4y agoI've liked Hyundai's I've owned in the past for this exact reason. But in case people get a little high on the Hyundai hype in this thread... every Hyundai model before 2019, iirc, is extremely easy to steal. If you live in an auto theft-prone metro area like I used to, I would avoid those cars. Kia as well. IIRC it's so easy that a method of stealing a Hyundai using only a male USB port surfaced on TikTok a few weeks back. But it's been a huge problem in a few major US cities for the past 2+ years.
- 20after4 4y agoI believe this applies to 2020 and 2021 models as well. According to NPR[1] Hyundai/Kia only decided to finally install engine immobilizers part way through the 2021 model year. [1](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/19/1123647178/kia-hyundai-car-stolen-milwaukee https://www.npr.org/2022/09/19/1123647178/kia-hyundai-car-st...)
- 20after4 4y agoPerhaps there is an up-side to Hyundai's general lack of attention to basic security practices: Apparently it's just as easy to hack the onboard infotainment system. Someone recently published a procedure that allows owners to install a customized Linux ROM using the normal firmware update procedure. Hyundai literally used a default and well known signing key to authenticate their software updates so it's almost trivially easy to circumvent. The details were discussed previously on hacker news, I don't have the link handy but I believe it is possible to (easily) take control of the infotainment screen as well as CANBUS-accessible systems, including the door locks and very likely access all of the telemetry data destined for the dashboard instrument displays. There are probably even more possibilities that I haven't mentioned. I really wish I had more free time to hack on it because I think it would be really fun and interesting.
- pornel 4y agoThe E-GMP platform shared by this car, as well as Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 is great. The 800V battery can charge really quickly, making these cars viable for road trips. In summer temperatures they really need only 18 minutes to recharge for 2-3 hours of driving, and the 300kW charging networks already exist across western Europe.
- clouddrover 4y agoAnd the Genesis GV60: https://www.genesis.com/us/en/2023/genesis-gv60.html https://www.genesis.com/us/en/2023/genesis-gv60.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVpLJNNG9Y8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVpLJNNG9Y8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSIvjCi9_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSIvjCi9_g
- hestefisk 4y agoThe side mirrors being digitised / pulled off seems a bit risky.
- askvictor 4y agoWhy? Risky in a regulatory sense, or in a safety sense? With so much other electronics in a modern car, I can't see it being particularly more risky than having a computer running the engine etc. Also, the article does say, that, being not approved for US, the revised C.D. is higher than the original (being without mirrors).
- ericd 4y agoThe screen/infotainment system seems to be held to a lower standard of quality than the embedded electronics that control your engine/steering/other safety critical systems, maybe because before you put that visual on the screen, it's not yet safety-critical. I've definitely had backup/side video feeds freeze/stutter in cars before, really don't want that when changing lanes on a highway.
- askvictor 4y agoI would imagine (hope?) that they'd treat side-mirror-replacement-cameras as a safety critical system. I guess the valid metric would be a comparison of chance of the side mirror camera system failing vs chance of your side mirror being knocked off by a passing car (or the auto-retraction motors activating unexpectedly)
- nnevod 4y agoScreens don't provide stereo image nor focus distance the mirrors do, neither the displayed zone changes in response to moving your head. Afair, reviews of Audi's e-tron's screen mirror were mostly negative and mentioned that it took time to adjust from looking at road to looking at sidemirror screens and back and that you couldn't look "around the corner" with them.
- digianarchist 4y ago
- danans 4y agoExpect these teardrop Porsche 911-esque designs with long slopes on the back to become more common in EVs since they minimize drag to help maximize range. For even more extreme examples see the Aptera or the Light-Year.
- UncleOxidant 4y agoI hope the Aptera gets made. Being able to charge with 110v and get a decent amount of range overnight seems like a good thing, especially or renters who may not have access to a quick charger where they live.
- ericd 4y agoMost current EVs can get a decent amount of range overnight on a standard household outlet.
- seattle_spring 4y agoDo you mean a dryer-type outlet? A regular plug would give cars 20 miles over 8 hours tops.
- dogsgobork 4y agoI think 5mph is pretty typical on a standard 15 amp circuit (pulling 12 amps per code). That would get 40 miles of charge in 8 hours.
- dreamcompiler 4y agoAnd if you hire an electrician to upgrade the outlet to 20 amps you can add another 1-2mph. This can be trivially easy or somewhat complicated, depending on what kind of wire is supplying the outlet. But even in the latter case it's usually less work than installing a Level 2 (240v) charger.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
- miguelazo 4y agoThis makes me even more pissed about the EV tax credit changes (only US-made vehicles count). Still don’t understand how it was legal for that to become effective immediately in mid-August.
- pengaru 4y agoI'm glad to not have my tax dollars subsidizing import car sales personally, so fine by me to limit that EV tax credit to domestic vehicles. However, I would have preferred the fed not bailout big auto (or banks, or what's the latest socialized losses situation... Intel?). Either let it burn down when they fail or nationalize them and where's our national dividend?
- digianarchist 4y agoSure but from what I've read manufacturers weren't given a lot of lead time to onshore production.
- throwaway4good 4y agoThe Europeans spent a lot of money subsidizing Tesla sales in Europe.
- keewee7 4y agoSomeone really should analyze how much Norwegian, British, and EU tax payers funded Tesla in the past 10 years. I think a significant amount of their sales was subsidized by us.
- miguelazo 4y agoGiven how much “domestic” auto manufacturers produce abroad, does it really matter at this point? I am generally in favor of industrial policy and I understand why the sourcing rule was included, but this effective immediately rule is absurd. And if the real goal is to replace more ICE cars with EVs, further limiting the already extremely limited inventory that qualifies for the credit seems very counterproductive.
- bilsbie 4y agoPeople get triggered when I say this but I’m holding out for something over 400 miles in range. By the time you account for the range being exaggerated, then that you’re not supposed to charge to 100%, and then that you want to be able to drive fast on the highway, your available range is dropping fast. My goal would be only making one charging stop a day on a road trip for going at least 600 miles.
- aaronbrethorst 4y agoWhy would someone be offended by your preferences about an electric vehicle's range?
- somerandomqaguy 4y agoIt's the internet, if you breathe, someone somewhere will find that offensive. That being said, inevitably someone will start with a question of, "Why do you NEED 1500 miles of range?", point out that most people commute less then that and state that you can rent an ICE for when you need it, and proclaim that's all you really need. Edit: And there you go, someone's already chimed in with the question.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y agoHere's using "triggered" to mean "respond emotionally" rather than "offended."
- amanaplanacanal 4y ago“Triggered” also sometimes seems to mean “disagreed with me”. I try not to use it, as it raises the temperature without contributing anything to the conversation.
- UncleOxidant 4y agoBut how often do you actually make a 600 mile trip? (and how often in a day? That's a good 10 hours of driving) Carrying around all that extra battery weight for your daily 20 mile round-trip commute doesn't seem very efficient (energy or moneywise). And if you did make a 600 mile trip in a day, well, you've gotta stop to eat, right? The car can be charging while you're eating.
- kylecordes 4y agoHyundai/Kia seems to be doing a great job with their electric cars, in terms of design, fast charging, etc. But it appears they are only selling them in a few states, and in pretty small quantities. With dealer markup problems in some cases. The Genesis version is the most appealing to me. I'd strongly consider buying it... except they are not offered where I live, in the middle of the country. If they can increase quantities, it would be great to reach where Tesla has been for years: fill in a form on your phone anywhere in the US (and various other countries) and pick one up for the published price in after a (sometimes short, sometimes not so short) delay.
- pstuart 4y agoIt might be easier for them to iterate/refine with a smaller initial market size. One would assume once they lock in the design, manufacturing, and sourcing that they'll go full tilt boogie in selling them.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoAFAICT they're much more widely available in Europe. Hyundai has no trouble meeting US CAFE standards without electrics in the mix. OTOH in Europe they get to sell a couple more gas cars for every electric they sell. (not a European, just what I heard)
- kmonsen 4y agoThat’s the same with all electric cars, even BMW SUV that’s assembled in North America
- bigtunacan 4y agoHyundai requires dealerships to completely re-certify to be an authorized EV repair shop and add Electrify America charging stations at dealership costs. This is all very expensive and many dealerships can't afford the upgrades or don't see a great ROI.
- originalvichy 4y ago
- RadixDLT 4y agothe Koreans are good at copying/recycling old designs, looks like Infiniti J30
- pigtailgirl 4y ago-- funny you're getting down voted we say this all the time here in Korea - we even copied the Japanese strawberry - but we make everything way better - so who cares -- https://thehustle.co/japan-south-korea-strawberries/ https://thehustle.co/japan-south-korea-strawberries/
- ARandomerDude 4y agoWow that looks quite a bit like a circa 1995 Infinity J30.
- lnsru 4y agoThese cars from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are super cool, but there’s a catch. One must wait years to get them. Kia EV6 in average 15 months in Germany. This corporation wasn’t ready for success. On the long run this will heavily damage image of the brand. Looks like they prioritize Genesis car s delivery, so grab GV60 if possible.
- mgrandl 4y agoJust ordered the Ioniq 6 this week in Germany and maximum wait time is 9 months.
- lnsru 4y agoThere were 255 Kia EV6 and 1100 Hyundai IONIQ 5 registered in Germany last month. Kia isn’t priority for this organization for sure.
- solarkraft 4y ago> This corporation wasn’t ready for success. Isn't every car and especially every EV hard to get at the moment?
- lnsru 4y agoAt least Skoda was able to communicate in February, that my potential Enyaq order would come erliest mid 2023.
- gcanyon 4y agoFor anyone wondering about the practicalities of an EV: cost trade-offs, home charging, and more, this entertaining video goes into extreme depth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyp_X3mwE1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyp_X3mwE1w
- robd003 4y agoThe rear seat headroom is going to suck for anyone above the age of 12
- TexanFeller 4y agoAlthough they've improved from their early days, Hyundai/Kia have never been one of the brands with a reputation for long term reliability, like Toyota and Honda. Any reason to believe they'll do better with their electric models?
- mint2 4y agoAnd Hyundai/Kia like ruining their reputation by skimping in costs in ridiculous ways, like deciding to leave out basic hot wiring prevention that’s universally standard on cars these days. The result, TikTok videos demoing how to steal the cars for “lolz” and a rash of Hyundai/kia thefts. Edit: although to be fair Tesla has a terrible reputation for weird part substitutions
- thdxr 4y agohave had the ioniq 5 for a few months - incredible car by far the best one i've ever owned
- RickJWagner 4y agoI've been excited about EVs for a while now. But this week's announcement about the new Prius is making me think twice. Great times are ahead for car buyers.