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Completely agree. Any educated layperson can figure out and follow a clinical decision tree. I mean it can work in your favor if you know you need something and

Completely agree. Any educated layperson can figure out and follow a clinical decision tree. I mean it can work in your favor if you know you need something and know how to get the decision tree to give you what you want, but otherwise clinicians should definitely be actual experts and not just meat following something a computer could do

rscho 4y ago
> Any educated layperson can figure out and follow a clinical decision tree. 12-15h a day, 6 days a week with not even a lunch break? You're sorely mistaken. It takes an expert to follow clinical workflows.
- dimal 4y ago
  Are all doctors working these hours? I thought these were the hours for residency, not the average general practitioner or specialist working outside of a hospital. If they’re working 15 hours a day, why are they only open 8?
- opportune 4y ago
  What I meant is that I can follow it for myself, not do it for others. I don't have the training to know every medical decision tree by heart, but I can look up ones for problems I have and apply them. I am a bit biased because I have several medical professionals in my family, but a common refrain is definitely that most doctors/nurses aren't going to be that engaged and helpful, and are more of a input/output device to navigate rather than someone you want to completely defer to.
incone123 4y ago
You still have the problem of writing a sufficiently detailed tree. I had a blood test last year and when I discussed the result with the doc, he asked me the clinic location where the blood was taken, because then he could estimate time between blood draw and lab test and interpret the result accordingly.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  It’s your blood usually tested immediately? At least my hospital gives me results right away (well, say within 30 minutes).
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    It might be different where you live, but where I am, the vast majority of blood tests are not done at the hospital. Family doctors and lab test centres do it.
  - incone123 4y ago
    I think you just made my point about a sufficiently detailed tree. GP orders test. I go to a test center to get the blood drawn. They have couriers taking samples to labs a few times per day.

rscho 4y ago

> Any educated layperson can figure out and follow a clinical decision tree. 12-15h a day, 6 days a week with not even a lunch break? You're sorely mistaken. It takes an expert to follow clinical workflows.

dimal 4y ago
Are all doctors working these hours? I thought these were the hours for residency, not the average general practitioner or specialist working outside of a hospital. If they’re working 15 hours a day, why are they only open 8?
opportune 4y ago
What I meant is that I can follow it for myself, not do it for others. I don't have the training to know every medical decision tree by heart, but I can look up ones for problems I have and apply them. I am a bit biased because I have several medical professionals in my family, but a common refrain is definitely that most doctors/nurses aren't going to be that engaged and helpful, and are more of a input/output device to navigate rather than someone you want to completely defer to.

incone123 4y ago

You still have the problem of writing a sufficiently detailed tree. I had a blood test last year and when I discussed the result with the doc, he asked me the clinic location where the blood was taken, because then he could estimate time between blood draw and lab test and interpret the result accordingly.

Aeolun 4y ago
It’s your blood usually tested immediately? At least my hospital gives me results right away (well, say within 30 minutes).
- lostlogin 4y ago
  It might be different where you live, but where I am, the vast majority of blood tests are not done at the hospital. Family doctors and lab test centres do it.
- incone123 4y ago
  I think you just made my point about a sufficiently detailed tree. GP orders test. I go to a test center to get the blood drawn. They have couriers taking samples to labs a few times per day.