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The very fact that not a single western social network is permitted to operate in China is a sufficient reason to ban TikTok in America.
by karp773 4y ago
The very fact that not a single western social network is permitted to operate in China is a sufficient reason to ban TikTok in America.
- not1ofU 4y agoI've heard an apt anology; "its a reverse opium war"
- computerfriend 4y agoNot really reverse, since the US didn't participate in the first one.
- not1ofU 4y agoOh, I didnt realise Tik Tok was US only.
- computerfriend 4y agoWell funnily enough the only place where it's not is Hong Kong. But to the opium war analogy, most of the world was not involved.
- nateburke 4y agoRemember when we tried? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/world/asia/mark-zuckerberg-jogging-beijing-smog.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/world/asia/mark-zuckerber...
- est 4y ago> not a single western social network You are wrong. Myspace works fine in China.
- samatman 4y agoThis is, rather, evidence (as though we needed it) that Myspace isn't a social network.
- est 4y agoExplain Linkedin.com then? It also works 100% well in China.
- computerfriend 4y agoIt's shut down. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58911297 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58911297
- est 4y agoThe abomination Linkedin.cn (force redirects, ads, bloat features) was shutdown but Linkedin.com is always accessible.
- computerfriend 4y agoI don't believe this is correct.
- est 4y agoHow about run an actual multi site ping? Feel free to choose your own tool. https://ping.chinaz.com/www.linkedin.com https://ping.chinaz.com/www.linkedin.com https://ping.pe/www.linkedin.com https://ping.pe/www.linkedin.com
- computerfriend 4y agoAre you in China and able to load it? I can tell you that it doesn't load from at least one region. Ping tests are often misleading because datacenters have different connectivity than residential IPs.
- uniqueuid 4y agoThat argument makes no sense, because we do not want to mirror other countries. Instead, there are substantial arguments about freedom of speech and accountability. Even though they are messy, they are what we need to apply here because they are a legally binding framework that we built over decades. By the way, I found Levitski and Ziblatt's book "How Democracies Die" [1] a pretty good treatment of these issues of balancing freedom of expression and democratic resilience. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Democracies_Die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Democracies_Die
- phpisthebest 4y agoI would make it as a free trade argument. Trade is a 2 way street, if our companies can not compete there, then their companies should not be able to compete here.
- angio 4y agoAmerican companies are allowed to operate in China, as long as they follow local regulation. If TikTok behaviour is concerning (it is, like google/facebook/etc are also concerning), then introduce regulations that protect users' privacy and only then ban TikTok.
- ApolloFortyNine 4y agoThe local regulation is to parter with a Chinese company to operate the service. Giving that company a substantial percentage of revenue.
- max51 4y agoIf you don't like the chinese government, why do you want yours to imitate them?!
- ApolloFortyNine 4y agoIn this thread: people who don't understand the value of free trade agreements. We should just open up everything and hope everyone plays fair!
- pessimizer 4y ago"Free trade agreement" is a propaganda term for "trade agreement." It doesn't have a separate definition.
- TecoAndJix 4y agoTit for tat strategy in game theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat