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Tesla Model 3 - 374 miles BMW i4 - 365 miles Ford Mustang Mach-E - 379 miles BMW iX - 380 miles Mercedes EQE - 384 miles

by cjrp 4y ago

bell-cot 4y ago
First impression: those ranges are well within manufacturing tolerances / testing quirks / etc. of each other.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  Apologies in advance because I don't know much about cars, but how can there be a 100km difference just from testing quirks?
  - bell-cot 4y ago
    (My reply was to cjrp's comment - where the largest difference was only 19 miles.)
Symbiote 4y ago
That's interesting. I don't own a car and I'm not looking for one, but I still had the impression Tesla was leading on range. However, they're beaten at both price levels, potentially with a significant price discount. Mercedes EQS 450+, 640km, €106,307 Tesla Model S Plaid, 540km, €140,995 Mercedes EQE 350+, 525km, € 79,850 Tesla Model 3 LR DM, 485km, € 60,995 BMW i4 eDrive40, 470km, € 60,630 VW ID.3 Pro S 5Seats 450km, € 43,720 https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~number~desc|availability-checkbox-dropdown:pathGroup=.current https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~n...
- fallingknife 4y ago
  There's a third issue besides price and range in the EV market right now. Wait time. e.g. that VW ID.3 has a wait time of over a year for delivery. That crosses it off my shopping list, unfortunately.
- raspberry1337 4y ago
  In Europe where I live - VW, BMW and Mercedes do not have a reliable system of recharging for longer trips. Why they are not working to create that is beyond me.
  - mingus88 4y ago
    Ironically, the US has a head start on a nationwide EV charging network specifically because VW was a bad faith actor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History VW only did this because they were forced to. It's no mystery why traditional ICE manufacturers would be dragging their feet to modernize.
  - brohee 4y ago
    Ionity is owned exactly by those actors, and seems pretty developed (and developing) to me https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    You don't seem to be across what's happening in Europe. All of the companies you mentioned are invested in Ionity which provides 350 kW chargers at over 400 locations: https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are Europe has standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo for charging. Any CCS EV can charge on any CCS charging network. Teslas can charge on Ionity, BMWs can charge on Tesla chargers, charging networks like FastNed, BP, GridServe, EnBW, Circle K and friends can charge all brands, etc.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    It is still not that great in the USA. In the Pacific Northwest, if I want to goto Spokane, I have to hope the the Electrify America charging stations in Ellensburg aren't down again. One point of failure doesn't make me feel very comfortable, especially since EA is so flaky (if Tesla opens up there supercharger network, I'll be the first to buy an adapter). If I want to go down to John Day national monument in eastern Oregon, things are even worse. Things will get better (oh, and we want to do a trip to Anchorage someday...).
clouddrover 4y ago
Real world range tests for highway driving: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/
- _ea1k 4y ago
  That is one of the best tests out there, IMO. I do wish they'd add their charge curve details to it somehow. Something like the estimated time to completely a 600 mile trip would be an interesting detail, as range isn't the only thing that matters.
ekianjo 4y ago
marketing claims or real mileage? because european manufacturers making up numbers is a thing as proven in court.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Aren't all EV ranges measured based on the latest EU measurement standard? Which means cars are incredibly prepped for those tests, but the results are not made up and they are more or less comparable between models and brands.
_ea1k 4y ago
The i4 is overrated there. I think the 70mph test was only ~240 miles. The 3 LR does ~300 on the same test. The 3 also wins on charge speeds. The Mach-E and ix are both a little better than they look though. The ix actually does amazingly well on range tests.

Tesla Model 3 - 374 miles BMW i4 - 365 miles Ford Mustang Mach-E - 379 miles BMW iX - 380 miles Mercedes EQE - 384 miles

by cjrp 4y ago

Tesla Model 3 - 374 miles BMW i4 - 365 miles Ford Mustang Mach-E - 379 miles BMW iX - 380 miles Mercedes EQE - 384 miles

bell-cot 4y ago

First impression: those ranges are well within manufacturing tolerances / testing quirks / etc. of each other.

polygamous_bat 4y ago
Apologies in advance because I don't know much about cars, but how can there be a 100km difference just from testing quirks?
- bell-cot 4y ago
  (My reply was to cjrp's comment - where the largest difference was only 19 miles.)

Symbiote 4y ago

That's interesting. I don't own a car and I'm not looking for one, but I still had the impression Tesla was leading on range. However, they're beaten at both price levels, potentially with a significant price discount. Mercedes EQS 450+, 640km, €106,307 Tesla Model S Plaid, 540km, €140,995 Mercedes EQE 350+, 525km, € 79,850 Tesla Model 3 LR DM, 485km, € 60,995 BMW i4 eDrive40, 470km, € 60,630 VW ID.3 Pro S 5Seats 450km, € 43,720 https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~number~desc|availability-checkbox-dropdown:pathGroup=.current https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~n...

fallingknife 4y ago
There's a third issue besides price and range in the EV market right now. Wait time. e.g. that VW ID.3 has a wait time of over a year for delivery. That crosses it off my shopping list, unfortunately.
raspberry1337 4y ago
In Europe where I live - VW, BMW and Mercedes do not have a reliable system of recharging for longer trips. Why they are not working to create that is beyond me.
- mingus88 4y ago
  Ironically, the US has a head start on a nationwide EV charging network specifically because VW was a bad faith actor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History VW only did this because they were forced to. It's no mystery why traditional ICE manufacturers would be dragging their feet to modernize.
- brohee 4y ago
  Ionity is owned exactly by those actors, and seems pretty developed (and developing) to me https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status
- clouddrover 4y ago
  You don't seem to be across what's happening in Europe. All of the companies you mentioned are invested in Ionity which provides 350 kW chargers at over 400 locations: https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are Europe has standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo for charging. Any CCS EV can charge on any CCS charging network. Teslas can charge on Ionity, BMWs can charge on Tesla chargers, charging networks like FastNed, BP, GridServe, EnBW, Circle K and friends can charge all brands, etc.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  It is still not that great in the USA. In the Pacific Northwest, if I want to goto Spokane, I have to hope the the Electrify America charging stations in Ellensburg aren't down again. One point of failure doesn't make me feel very comfortable, especially since EA is so flaky (if Tesla opens up there supercharger network, I'll be the first to buy an adapter). If I want to go down to John Day national monument in eastern Oregon, things are even worse. Things will get better (oh, and we want to do a trip to Anchorage someday...).

clouddrover 4y ago

Real world range tests for highway driving: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

_ea1k 4y ago
That is one of the best tests out there, IMO. I do wish they'd add their charge curve details to it somehow. Something like the estimated time to completely a 600 mile trip would be an interesting detail, as range isn't the only thing that matters.

ekianjo 4y ago

marketing claims or real mileage? because european manufacturers making up numbers is a thing as proven in court.

hef19898 4y ago
Aren't all EV ranges measured based on the latest EU measurement standard? Which means cars are incredibly prepped for those tests, but the results are not made up and they are more or less comparable between models and brands.

_ea1k 4y ago

The i4 is overrated there. I think the 70mph test was only ~240 miles. The 3 LR does ~300 on the same test. The 3 also wins on charge speeds. The Mach-E and ix are both a little better than they look though. The ix actually does amazingly well on range tests.