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8-to-5 is 45 hours a week. I'm still in the office, even for lunch. Considering travel, it bumps up to 50 hrs/week. I hate how this 10-hour "work tax" is alwa

by sbf501 4y ago

8-to-5 is 45 hours a week. I'm still in the office, even for lunch. Considering travel, it bumps up to 50 hrs/week. I hate how this 10-hour "work tax" is always dismissed as part of 40 hour work week.

innocentoldguy 4y ago
This is why I will only take remote jobs. I got sick of spending two hours a day in bumper-to-bumper traffic.
- 65 4y ago
  You could try living in a city where you can commute via train. 1 hour on a train is significantly different than 1 hour driving a car.
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    Still 1 hour of your life gone. Might be better by train but why do it at all if not needed?
tluyben2 4y ago
Do you go to the office because you need to or want to? Seems there is some difference there.
- sbf501 4y ago
  Why does that even matter? Or do you just assume everyone is a Javascript programmer? If I say "need" people will tell me it's my fault and to change jobs. If I say "want" people will tell me it's my fault and to change jobs.
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    I don’t assume anyone is a javascript programmer by choice really but anyway. Of course it matters; if you want to be in the office, why count your travel hours? Your choice. If you need to be in the office, that’s another case.
    - sbf501 4y ago
      You are missing the point: it is endemic to the culture. It has nothing to do with personal choice. It's like blaming a sexual assault victim for what they wear: that's not the issue, it is toxic masculinity that is the problem, e.g., the culture, not the individual incident.
snu 4y ago
This is a great point that too few people think about. I like to take travel time and mandatory lunch breaks into account when I'm figuring out my 'adjusted' wage, and I use that number when thinking about getting a different job or taking time off. Your time isn't ACTUALLY worth $20/hr (or whatever), its more like 16, or less if you factor in taxes.
notacop31337 4y ago
I'm at the stage now where if a company required me in the office, the surcharge I'd be asking on top of my wage (30% would do it) would be so hilarious that it would be insulting, but in my mind, that's kinda the point.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  I don't think it's unrealistic to think you can get a 30% pay bump by taking another job, or that asking for 30% over what you might think is "fair market rate" for your skills is a bad idea
- tluyben2 4y ago
  I think the company should just count the travel hours as work hours if office presence is mandatory.

by sbf501 4y ago

innocentoldguy 4y ago

This is why I will only take remote jobs. I got sick of spending two hours a day in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

65 4y ago
You could try living in a city where you can commute via train. 1 hour on a train is significantly different than 1 hour driving a car.
- tluyben2 4y ago
  Still 1 hour of your life gone. Might be better by train but why do it at all if not needed?

tluyben2 4y ago

Do you go to the office because you need to or want to? Seems there is some difference there.

sbf501 4y ago
Why does that even matter? Or do you just assume everyone is a Javascript programmer? If I say "need" people will tell me it's my fault and to change jobs. If I say "want" people will tell me it's my fault and to change jobs.
- tluyben2 4y ago
  I don’t assume anyone is a javascript programmer by choice really but anyway. Of course it matters; if you want to be in the office, why count your travel hours? Your choice. If you need to be in the office, that’s another case.
  - sbf501 4y ago
    You are missing the point: it is endemic to the culture. It has nothing to do with personal choice. It's like blaming a sexual assault victim for what they wear: that's not the issue, it is toxic masculinity that is the problem, e.g., the culture, not the individual incident.

snu 4y ago

This is a great point that too few people think about. I like to take travel time and mandatory lunch breaks into account when I'm figuring out my 'adjusted' wage, and I use that number when thinking about getting a different job or taking time off. Your time isn't ACTUALLY worth $20/hr (or whatever), its more like 16, or less if you factor in taxes.

notacop31337 4y ago

I'm at the stage now where if a company required me in the office, the surcharge I'd be asking on top of my wage (30% would do it) would be so hilarious that it would be insulting, but in my mind, that's kinda the point.

pcthrowaway 4y ago
I don't think it's unrealistic to think you can get a 30% pay bump by taking another job, or that asking for 30% over what you might think is "fair market rate" for your skills is a bad idea
tluyben2 4y ago
I think the company should just count the travel hours as work hours if office presence is mandatory.