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99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

throwaway3b03 4y ago
When I think of my E-Bike battery of ~400Wh that can keep going for ~100km (admittedly, with some assistance), I'm surprised this laptop can only go for 16h on that. The energy required to move 80kg (me+bike) 25km is significant.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  Well, look at the power outputs of bikers. 100 watts can probably get you to 15mph in flats / no headwinds. so that.... well, 400 watt-hours for 60 miles! Meanwhile, gaming rigs are coming with kilowatt power supplies now, maybe even more. Laptops try to be more efficient, yeah, but 100 watt-hours in sixteen hours is 6.25 watts sustained. Did I math that properly?
  - taink 4y ago
    I mean you can check with this tool[1] I discovered while wondering for myself. I gave up halfway through though. [1] https://www.omnicalculator.com/sports/cycling-wattage https://www.omnicalculator.com/sports/cycling-wattage
    - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
      I'm a biker/endurance athlete to the point of completing several Iron-distance triathlons in the "happy to finish" division. So I have a general idea of 15-20mph wattage to speed.
  - nicolaslem 4y ago
    That checks out, 6W is about the power used by an average laptop. Best in class ones are about 3W.
fbhabbed 4y ago
Good battery, good customizability, but I'm wondering: - Who is actually producing these? Are they resellers? For whom? - They mention TuxedoOS. Why? Can you have the same experience with a vanilla Debian or Arch? - Customs costs. They may inflate the price quite a lot depending on where you are
- GreyStache 4y ago
  They use hardware from clevo-computers.com, but they select certain parts. The uefi is not the stock, so I'm assuming they do some tuning. TuxedoOS was very limiting to me; a vanilla Debian works very well.
  - trelane 4y ago
    Interesting. I wonder of they also work closely on the firmware like system76 does.
- ProAm 4y ago
  A lot of these questions you can google. But here you go [1] [G] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Frequently-asked-questions/What-is-the-differences-between-TUXEDO-OS-and-Ubuntu/Kubuntu-_1.tuxedo# https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Freque...
- taink 4y ago
  Their website provides good enough information I believe: - They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves. - They mention TuxedoOS for the same reason System76 mentions Pop_OS!: because they made it. I would expect it to work with any one of the OS included in their WebFAI[2] pretty well[3], which by the way I believe is actually sent with the laptop. - Their FAQ might shed some light here[4] depending on where you live. It's pretty much the same with any brand I know; maybe you have had a different experience? [1] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/why-TUXEDO.tuxedo#tuxedo-USPs-germany https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/why-TUXEDO.tuxedo#tuxedo-... [2] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-WebFAI.tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-WebFAI.tuxedo [3] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Frequently-asked-questions/Does-another-operating-system-run-on-my-TUXEDO-device-.tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Freque... [4] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Frequently-asked-questions/Do-I-have-to-pay-taxes-or-duties-for-my-order-.tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Freque...
Lukas_Skywalker 4y ago
I just configured one. The 14-core i7, 16 RAM, 1TB SSD and Linux with my local power cord are priced at €1739. That's pretty nice, considering that they probably sell a very low volume compared to the big players.
deafpolygon 4y ago
Why does it have to look like a Macbook?
- kh_hk 4y ago
  Because that's what factories are producing
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  Because as much as some of us want unique computers, they just don’t sell as well as MacBook clones.
  - deafpolygon 4y ago
    Unfortunately.. I miss the days where manufacturers were more willing to be bold.
- downrightmike 4y ago
  Bring back the G3 color clamshells!
  - deafpolygon 4y ago
    I'd be okay with this! The laptop market has become a bit too homogeneous.
- evan_ 4y ago
  other than being made out of metal and generally laptop-shaped this doesn't look anything like a macbook
- oceanplexian 4y ago
  MacBooks are the most basic form of a laptop. If you remove huge screen bezels, get rid of the cheap plastic case, unnecessary buttons, don’t add a bunch of stickers and logos everywhere, every laptop would look like a MacBook.
dmitrygr 4y ago
Will it run windows 10?
- noobface 4y ago
  Yes, but all the drivers are written by the HP printer team.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    At least 1TB in storage required?
ht85 4y ago
I have to replace my aging xps 15 soon, anyone has any experience with those? It looks great on paper, how does screen and touchpad quality compare to an xps / macbook?
- eivindga 4y ago
  The only review I have found is this: https://youtu.be/l-LTjXdMe2w https://youtu.be/l-LTjXdMe2w Ordered today actually. I've been torn between getting a 14" vs 16", since I am also replacing an old xps 15. But the extended battery life of the 14" is what finally convinced me. The Starlab Starfighter also looks great, but I need a replacement laptop this year preferably.
omgitspavel 4y ago
The only reason I wanted to get a macbook is because of its impressive batter life. I've been looking at Tuxedo laptops a while ago, but the battery durability was still a concern. Looks like this is not the case anymore, so will definitely consider buying this one soon.
GreyStache 4y ago
I'm typing this on my 1 year old Tuxedo InfinityBook (S 14 Gen6, not the Pro). Now I'm definitely spoiled by the Lenovo X1 series, but I'm not happy. The hardware is a rebrand from clevo-computer.com - some minor spare parts can be had from there. The system is VERY prone to overheating, the fan is noisy. They claim the fan noise is "not annoying" which is only true in the short term. I have opened up the bottom shell and I believe the fan recirculates a bit of hot air back into the case. This really is a limiting factor for me, I'm considering an alternate cooling solution. The case had a minor chip in it within the first ten minutes out of the box (I don't know how that happened, I think it just pinged off by itself!). The palm-rests are starting to show dark spots. My barrel jack power connector is loose, I have to hold it in with a rubber band. (I still have the usb-c port) All the rubber feet at the bottom fell off quite some time ago, superglued them back on. The (super compact) PSU started to whine, that was replaced under warranty - but is stated to be a consumable item! Out of the box they have their own OS, which is a somewhat modified Ubuntu. My main driver is Debian and almost everything worked right out of the box - sometimes I got back (usb-boot) to their distro to validate things (see: support). The firmware is more than okay for me; I managed to cross-compile their "control centre" to allow me to change performance/fan characteristics on the fly. The uefi updates work fine (boot from a stick), but they are undocumented. The support is ... rigid. The first response is to boot their own distro and kernel. This is fair for a mass market product I guess, but I somehow hoped that specific questions would find their way proper Linux Gurus (tm). There is a very cute penguin instead of a windows logo on the keyboard :-)
- GreyStache 4y ago
  One of the things I really considered is that if nobody gives these "independent" Linux-focussed vendors a chance, then Linux-on-the-desktop will forever remain a non-factory option and a second-class citizen in support manners.
  - imiric 4y ago
    That's not the way the market works. How about vendors focus on delivering a quality product, with good hardware and software, proper QA and support, and fair prices? Hell, I'm sure many Linux users would be willing to pay a premium if all the other aspects are there. Linux will never be a mainstream option with these low effort products.
yrral 4y ago
With the proliferation of high wH usb-c power banks (for less than 100 bucks), I don't see the value in getting a computer that adds weight or bulk for battery life. Reason being by default then I get a thin and light laptop, or I can choose to extend my battery life by additionally lugging a power bank (or two) if I want. Yes, this ad says this computer is thin, but if you compare it to a commodity ultrabook from dell/hp/apple, it looks much thicker.
gandalfgeek 4y ago
Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!
- shrubble 4y ago
  My Dell Latitude 7490, 16GB DDR4 with i7-8650U, 60Wh battery, gets very good battery life under Devuan, 7 hours+ I think with my usage. My belief is that it varies between Linux distributions a great deal.
- slashdev 4y ago
  It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.
  - jchw 4y ago
    Does that laptop support Linux? If not, I'd expect a key reason is simple; it likely is not using all of the power saving functionality supported by the laptop. This might include things like S0ix, throttling, proper sleep states, etc. There's a lot of factors going in, and I think by and large it is not actually an endemic issue with Linux itself. Consider for example that x86 Chromebooks have no issue fully exploiting modern x86 power saving features and getting good battery life.
    - eloff 4y ago
      It does not. I use some extra software to try and improve that, which helps, but it also means the laptop is noticably laggy on battery. But you're right that is likely part of the equation. I don't think it's the whole story though, I see other people complaining of wise than Windows battery life on laptops that do support Linux.
      - 4y ago
calvinmorrison 4y ago
My lenovo X220 has the most insane battery life I have ever had. I had the 9 Cell battery (compared to the 3 cell) with the additional backpack chassis battery that clipped on below. Just by itself the 9 cell was good for close to 10 hours. Extended battery was: 64.38Wh and the extended 9 cell was 94Wh. About a decade down the road, I still have about 50% battery life left in it at max charge and it still holds its own on an all day outing
- zelphirkalt 4y ago
  I have an X200 with a 9 cell battery, bought new a while ago, but I think 4h max is what I get, if I lower brightness and only run Emacs or so. How do you manage to run 10h? Does the X220 somehow use less?
  - calvinmorrison 4y ago
    Probably not a new oem battery? The OEM 9 Cell was really good. Also - definitely need to tune it down with powertop, you can suspend most of the stuff like usb only the fly, also using and ssd over hdd. Though, to be fair, this one had an HDD originally and has an "HDAPS" system. It's a built in gyroscope that will park the head of the disk if it notices the laptop is in free fall. how silly and fantastic that is
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      My x201 got ~6 hours of ontime with a new 6-cell battery, so I can believe a x220 hitting 10 hours on 9-cell.
  - pengaru 4y ago
    Penryn->Sandy Bridge is a pretty big leap.
KaiserPro 4y ago
which is great until you see that the proc is basically a 35w monster. (peak 115watts)
- wmf 4y ago
  35W does not seem monstrous for a 14".
  - KaiserPro 4y ago
    Apart from something like an intel macpro with an i9 processor (intel-core-i99980hk) has a TDP of 45 (but ranges from 13 to 75) 35w constant is a big drain.
- neogodless 4y ago
  https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132228/intel-core-i712700h-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132228/... 45W - yes, minimum 35W but 45W much more likely in default settings. But yes I would worry about cooling in a 14" form factor with an Intel "45W" CPU that supports a peak of 115W.
daneel_w 4y ago
Do 10 hours of battery life "while surfing the web with Wi-Fi" really strike anyone as a strong argument these days? I'm a bit uncertain. I got 9 hours of the same out of my 2017 MacBook Air's measly battery when it was new 5 years ago. I know for a fact I don't need 14 CPU cores to get my browsing habits satisified. This laptop is trying to be a "premium business workstation" by packing a CPU that's crazy powerful for laptop standards, but with only 10 hours of battery life "while surfing the web with Wi-Fi" - due to said workstation CPU choice - it's not gonna last even 3 hours doing the workstation type of stuff they're trying to market it for. What a gadget...
- smoldesu 4y ago
  FWIW, 10 hours of battery life with a discrete GPU enabled is fairly unprecedented. Even the 16" Macbooks that shipped with discrete GPUs would struggle to sustain the CPU and GPU for 5 hours of parallel use.
  - daneel_w 4y ago
    Why would anyone, these days, need a discrete GPU for surfing the web? This detail, too, just like the CPU, falls short on the fact that making actual use of its power cuts battery time down to nothing. They should just market it for what it really is: a workstation laptop with 3 hours of battery life.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      They also offer a version of this laptop without the discrete GPU if you need better battery life. There are still workloads that require local discrete GPU hardware though.
      - system2 4y ago
        Offer this offer that, we are not seeing any technology improvement here. Only marketing words.
  - eropple 4y ago
zamalek 4y ago
> Configure your InfinityBook Pro 14 optionally with the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti and turn your lightweight business laptop into an ultra-portable gaming console! Why are so many Linux laptops NVIDIA? It know that we have the OS kernel + blob userspace option now, but it's still early days. My desktop is AMD, my laptop is NVIDIA, and the difference is night-and-day. I would honestly have an IGPU in a laptop over NVIDIA, but even that option seems few and far between (this specific laptop being an exception).
- NavinF 4y ago
  because they still don't officially support CUDA on consumer cards, only on the overpriced data center cards
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Because NVidia works in Linux. Intel isn't really accelerated, and AMD is buggy and doesn't do GPU compute acceleration terribly well.
  - nikisweeting 4y ago
    Also all the AI/ML/CUDA tooling is written for NVidia, AMD driver support is terrible.
    - _carbyau_ 4y ago
      This alone means my 2023 computer build will have an nVidia GPU. I know next to nothing about ML. But even I can follow basic instructions to get Stable Diffusion or Spleeter or something to play with. Installation, configuration and speed to get ML stuff to play with is easy for nVidia users. Sucks for AMD. Source: current AMD GPU user who dislikes nGreedia but sees no other real option.
  - olq 4y ago
    This is completely false. Modern Nvidia cards on linux can barely get pixels on the screen and does not have power saving modes.
neogodless 4y ago
Why in the world if you care about battery life do you put a 12th gen Intel H-series CPU in your laptop, and not a 5th or 6th gen AMD CPU? My Lenovo gaming laptop gets 5-6 hours with a 4th gen AMD H-series on a 60Wh battery.
- jnk345u8dfg9hjk 4y ago
  Can you elaborate why these architectures give better battery life?
  - neogodless 4y ago
    I don't think I know enough to give a great answer. The obvious is TSMC's "7nm" and iterative 6nm enables greater efficiency over "Intel 7." Beyond that, presumably there's some IPC advantage that means more work can be done with the same clocks and power draw. It's odd, because 12th gen is quite performant and seems efficient, and yet somehow the battery life isn't very good.
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      Intel's 1240P and AMD's 6600U perform more or less the same at the same power.
  - FunnyLookinHat 4y ago
    I'm not sure about the AMD option, but I can speak to the Intel trade-offs. H-Series CPUs are designed to be the "laptop workhorse" at a TDP of about 47W - whereas most laptops built for battery life nowadays use U-Series CPUs with a TDP of 15-17W depending on the generation.
dark-star 4y ago
For Dell Latitude laptops you can get 120Wh batteries (3rd party), and they also run Linux just fine. Also they're well-built and have good keyboards.
- schaefer 4y ago
  I believe there are regulations that say a 100 Wh battery is the Max you can take on an airplane(in the US). That’s what’s setting the glass ceiling here to 99Wh.
justonemore3 4y ago
How can they claim 16h of work - I own an Asus m16 with the same CPU and a 90Wh battery and after some tweaking my Ubuntu drains 9.xWh without touching anything ... With Firefox open it already consumes 12wH - so I guess I can be happy if I can get 6h of work done with one load and this laptop here can't do much better...
- jnk345u8dfg9hjk 4y ago
  Yeah I think all these Linux laptops are overmarketing it
FpUser 4y ago
Looks like very decent hardware for a very decent price. Congratulations. I would actually buy one but it is in Europe ;(
intrasight 4y ago
I don't call anything a "workstation" unless it supports ECC.
dethos 4y ago
I work on a laptop from the previous generation (Infinity Book Pro 14 Gen6) and I'm very happy with it. At first I had some doubts, but it ended up being a great "Linux" laptop.
1letterunixname 4y ago
So? The T480 has a 24 Wh internal battery and a 72 Wh removable battery. I have 4 of the 72 Wh and an external charger. 55 hours of runtime. What's the big deal?
- cooperadymas 4y ago
  My X201 has no battery and a charge cord. Infinite runtime. It's easy if you change the parameters.
  - 1letterunixname 4y ago
    Your "laptop" in disrepair is a desktop. You can't hot-swap that Linux laptop's batteries. 24 Wh built-in with unlimited hot-swap 72 Wh batteries, pretty much 96 Wh + 72Wh * N. Got anything constructive to add?
ratherbefuddled 4y ago
I had a very poor experience buying from tuxedo and wouldn't recommend it. They shipped in a manner that triggered import duty (because they bundled all four into one shipment). Returning a defective laptop was impossible. Tongfangs tend to be quite a bit better than Clevo also.
nikisweeting 4y ago
The specs look great on the surface except for this: 1.0 Megapixel webcam! In this age of video calling that's hardly acceptable, it's an unfortunately huge downside to what seems like an otherwise great device.
flakiness 4y ago
I work for a smartphone and found that tuning for the battery is hard, labor intensive work. And you also need awareness from the app developer whose apps do use the battery. Plus you need a lot of users to justify these efforts to be get paid. It's not technical superiority but more about the economy of scale. I bet Linux is much more energy efficient in datacenters than Windows because of this reason.
- stainablesteel 4y ago
  you work for a smartphone?
  - system2 4y ago
    you never work for a smartphone?!
  - flakiness 4y ago
    I guess I meant I worked for a smartphone development.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    It's the great philosophical question of our time. Do our smartphones work for us or do we work for our smartphones?
einpoklum 4y ago
So, I can spend 16 hours in the torture of typing on a crap keyboard. Great :-( Seriously, why don't laptop makers understand that a "workstation" needs a decent non-chicklet keyboard?
- Toutouxc 4y ago
  Because it doesn’t and there are millions of people happily using MacBooks for typing-heavy jobs.
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prima-facie 4y ago
There's also the Starlabs Starfighter which is somewhat similar: https://starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter https://starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter
- Klonoar 4y ago
  Starlabs is the only alternative manufacturer that actually seems to make their own chassis, which in my opinion makes it the only thing comparable to a MacBook. No Clevo shell will come close.
quyleanh 4y ago
I love the idea of fully customizing the hardware of my laptop. I think there are many user out there want to do it as well.
Lev1a 4y ago
Huh, bought a paper magazine [1] on a whim today for the first time in IDK how long [2] and thought upon seeing this post's domain "that sounds familiar". The backside of this magazine is a full-page ad for this exact laptop. [1]: " c't Make: Sonderheft Elektro-Technik " https://www.heise.de/select/make/2022/7 https://www.heise.de/select/make/2022/7 [2]: Seriously, 12,90€ for one edition is IMHO too much to just buy every single one without all the content being something I'm really interested in.
ersoft 4y ago
I'm using a Slimbook executive 14 for about 1 month. It's the same chassis as the Tuxedo as far as I know. I bought it especially for running linux on bare metal (docker, kvm, linux tools). Coming from Macbook I'm pretty happy with it. I got used very fast with KDE (I used it on desktop computer in the recent years from time to time). Touchpad it's great, keyboard is the same as on Macbook. Battery lasts about 5h now when programming (some Node.JS, compiling some Rust or Go services). I had a 2016 Macbook Pro 15 with I7 and 16gbRAM, now it compiles a Rust service I'm working on in 1 minute compared to 6 minutes on the old laptop. The laptop specs I'm having is the same as the Tuxedo and the same chassis: i7-12700H, 16gb Ram(updated it to 40gb myself), 512gb NvMe, 99wh Battery.
subinsebastien 4y ago
nigerianbrince 4y ago
How long can it maintain 100% cpu load?
- system2 4y ago
  If the cpu is 45w, likely 1 hour or so because there are other components. I would expect even less than that.
nine_k 4y ago
Does this thing have a glossy screen? If so, sad :( Glue-on anti-glare films exist, but they are finicky to apply.
_odey 4y ago
These laptops have a severe flaw that nobody seems to be speaking about. The speakers point DOWNWARDS! They're supposed to be pointing upwards, towards where your ears are supposed to be. The downwards pointing speakers are a good fit for 2 in 1 laptops, that transform into tablets, as the most common usage of those is to fold them over, therefore pointing the speakers towards yourself. But not LAPtops. These either sit on a desk, directing the sound towards plywood, or if you use them in bed, or on top of a blanket (when not working and using it as a personal device), sound getting muffled by the fabric. I've tested ones of the tuxedo laptops we bough a while back that has the same flaw. The sound muffling is not that big, but it is noticeable, compared to my HP laptop with speakers next to the screen above the keyboard. And of course, compared to a macbook, it sounds horrible. Bad speaker placement and bad speaker quality. I guess it's OK for work purposes but if you want to use it as a personal device that you want to enjoy during your past time, you, just like me, will get frustrated.
- culopatin 4y ago
  Same flaw all the Thinkpads have had for centuries now. Garbage speakers are the norm for laptops. The first time I heard one of the newer MacBooks speakers while I had a Thinkpad was eye opening. Work gives me an elite book and while it’s much better than most, it’s still bad. The whole case resonates and adds noise and it runs some shitty software that uses 30% cpu to make it sound decent. Disabling that software brings it back to average laptop levels.
  - GrayShade 4y ago
    I had an older HP laptop where disabling their sound DSP (by Beats) also set the equalizer to min bass / max treble so you would say "wow, this Beats thing is so great".
thro1 4y ago
And such basic stupid mistake: the corner keys are easiest to hit and power key is not the most often key used (by me at least) - I expect INS and DEL at that place.. (power key can't be reprogramed).

When I think of my E-Bike battery of ~400Wh that can keep going for ~100km (admittedly, with some assistance), I'm surprised this laptop can only go for 16h on that. The energy required to move 80kg (me+bike) 25km is significant.

AtlasBarfed 4y ago
Well, look at the power outputs of bikers. 100 watts can probably get you to 15mph in flats / no headwinds. so that.... well, 400 watt-hours for 60 miles! Meanwhile, gaming rigs are coming with kilowatt power supplies now, maybe even more. Laptops try to be more efficient, yeah, but 100 watt-hours in sixteen hours is 6.25 watts sustained. Did I math that properly?
- taink 4y ago
  I mean you can check with this tool[1] I discovered while wondering for myself. I gave up halfway through though. [1] https://www.omnicalculator.com/sports/cycling-wattage https://www.omnicalculator.com/sports/cycling-wattage
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    I'm a biker/endurance athlete to the point of completing several Iron-distance triathlons in the "happy to finish" division. So I have a general idea of 15-20mph wattage to speed.
- nicolaslem 4y ago
  That checks out, 6W is about the power used by an average laptop. Best in class ones are about 3W.

fbhabbed 4y ago

Good battery, good customizability, but I'm wondering: - Who is actually producing these? Are they resellers? For whom? - They mention TuxedoOS. Why? Can you have the same experience with a vanilla Debian or Arch? - Customs costs. They may inflate the price quite a lot depending on where you are

GreyStache 4y ago
They use hardware from clevo-computers.com, but they select certain parts. The uefi is not the stock, so I'm assuming they do some tuning. TuxedoOS was very limiting to me; a vanilla Debian works very well.
- trelane 4y ago
  Interesting. I wonder of they also work closely on the firmware like system76 does.
ProAm 4y ago
A lot of these questions you can google. But here you go [1] [G] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Frequently-asked-questions/What-is-the-differences-between-TUXEDO-OS-and-Ubuntu/Kubuntu-_1.tuxedo# https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Freque...
taink 4y ago
Their website provides good enough information I believe: - They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves. - They mention TuxedoOS for the same reason System76 mentions Pop_OS!: because they made it. I would expect it to work with any one of the OS included in their WebFAI[2] pretty well[3], which by the way I believe is actually sent with the laptop. - Their FAQ might shed some light here[4] depending on where you live. It's pretty much the same with any brand I know; maybe you have had a different experience? [1] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/why-TUXEDO.tuxedo#tuxedo-USPs-germany https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/why-TUXEDO.tuxedo#tuxedo-... [2] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-WebFAI.tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-WebFAI.tuxedo [3] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Frequently-asked-questions/Does-another-operating-system-run-on-my-TUXEDO-device-.tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Freque... [4] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Frequently-asked-questions/Do-I-have-to-pay-taxes-or-duties-for-my-order-.tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Infos/Help-Support/Freque...

Lukas_Skywalker 4y ago

I just configured one. The 14-core i7, 16 RAM, 1TB SSD and Linux with my local power cord are priced at €1739. That's pretty nice, considering that they probably sell a very low volume compared to the big players.

deafpolygon 4y ago

Why does it have to look like a Macbook?

kh_hk 4y ago
Because that's what factories are producing
BizarreByte 4y ago
Because as much as some of us want unique computers, they just don’t sell as well as MacBook clones.
- deafpolygon 4y ago
  Unfortunately.. I miss the days where manufacturers were more willing to be bold.
downrightmike 4y ago
Bring back the G3 color clamshells!
- deafpolygon 4y ago
  I'd be okay with this! The laptop market has become a bit too homogeneous.
evan_ 4y ago
other than being made out of metal and generally laptop-shaped this doesn't look anything like a macbook
oceanplexian 4y ago
MacBooks are the most basic form of a laptop. If you remove huge screen bezels, get rid of the cheap plastic case, unnecessary buttons, don’t add a bunch of stickers and logos everywhere, every laptop would look like a MacBook.

dmitrygr 4y ago

Will it run windows 10?

noobface 4y ago
Yes, but all the drivers are written by the HP printer team.
- doubled112 4y ago
  At least 1TB in storage required?

ht85 4y ago

I have to replace my aging xps 15 soon, anyone has any experience with those? It looks great on paper, how does screen and touchpad quality compare to an xps / macbook?

eivindga 4y ago
The only review I have found is this: https://youtu.be/l-LTjXdMe2w https://youtu.be/l-LTjXdMe2w Ordered today actually. I've been torn between getting a 14" vs 16", since I am also replacing an old xps 15. But the extended battery life of the 14" is what finally convinced me. The Starlab Starfighter also looks great, but I need a replacement laptop this year preferably.

omgitspavel 4y ago

The only reason I wanted to get a macbook is because of its impressive batter life. I've been looking at Tuxedo laptops a while ago, but the battery durability was still a concern. Looks like this is not the case anymore, so will definitely consider buying this one soon.

GreyStache 4y ago

I'm typing this on my 1 year old Tuxedo InfinityBook (S 14 Gen6, not the Pro). Now I'm definitely spoiled by the Lenovo X1 series, but I'm not happy. The hardware is a rebrand from clevo-computer.com - some minor spare parts can be had from there. The system is VERY prone to overheating, the fan is noisy. They claim the fan noise is "not annoying" which is only true in the short term. I have opened up the bottom shell and I believe the fan recirculates a bit of hot air back into the case. This really is a limiting factor for me, I'm considering an alternate cooling solution. The case had a minor chip in it within the first ten minutes out of the box (I don't know how that happened, I think it just pinged off by itself!). The palm-rests are starting to show dark spots. My barrel jack power connector is loose, I have to hold it in with a rubber band. (I still have the usb-c port) All the rubber feet at the bottom fell off quite some time ago, superglued them back on. The (super compact) PSU started to whine, that was replaced under warranty - but is stated to be a consumable item! Out of the box they have their own OS, which is a somewhat modified Ubuntu. My main driver is Debian and almost everything worked right out of the box - sometimes I got back (usb-boot) to their distro to validate things (see: support). The firmware is more than okay for me; I managed to cross-compile their "control centre" to allow me to change performance/fan characteristics on the fly. The uefi updates work fine (boot from a stick), but they are undocumented. The support is ... rigid. The first response is to boot their own distro and kernel. This is fair for a mass market product I guess, but I somehow hoped that specific questions would find their way proper Linux Gurus (tm). There is a very cute penguin instead of a windows logo on the keyboard :-)

GreyStache 4y ago
One of the things I really considered is that if nobody gives these "independent" Linux-focussed vendors a chance, then Linux-on-the-desktop will forever remain a non-factory option and a second-class citizen in support manners.
- imiric 4y ago
  That's not the way the market works. How about vendors focus on delivering a quality product, with good hardware and software, proper QA and support, and fair prices? Hell, I'm sure many Linux users would be willing to pay a premium if all the other aspects are there. Linux will never be a mainstream option with these low effort products.

yrral 4y ago

With the proliferation of high wH usb-c power banks (for less than 100 bucks), I don't see the value in getting a computer that adds weight or bulk for battery life. Reason being by default then I get a thin and light laptop, or I can choose to extend my battery life by additionally lugging a power bank (or two) if I want. Yes, this ad says this computer is thin, but if you compare it to a commodity ultrabook from dell/hp/apple, it looks much thicker.

gandalfgeek 4y ago

Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!

shrubble 4y ago
My Dell Latitude 7490, 16GB DDR4 with i7-8650U, 60Wh battery, gets very good battery life under Devuan, 7 hours+ I think with my usage. My belief is that it varies between Linux distributions a great deal.
slashdev 4y ago
It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.
- jchw 4y ago
  Does that laptop support Linux? If not, I'd expect a key reason is simple; it likely is not using all of the power saving functionality supported by the laptop. This might include things like S0ix, throttling, proper sleep states, etc. There's a lot of factors going in, and I think by and large it is not actually an endemic issue with Linux itself. Consider for example that x86 Chromebooks have no issue fully exploiting modern x86 power saving features and getting good battery life.
  - eloff 4y ago
    It does not. I use some extra software to try and improve that, which helps, but it also means the laptop is noticably laggy on battery. But you're right that is likely part of the equation. I don't think it's the whole story though, I see other people complaining of wise than Windows battery life on laptops that do support Linux.
    - 4y ago

calvinmorrison 4y ago

My lenovo X220 has the most insane battery life I have ever had. I had the 9 Cell battery (compared to the 3 cell) with the additional backpack chassis battery that clipped on below. Just by itself the 9 cell was good for close to 10 hours. Extended battery was: 64.38Wh and the extended 9 cell was 94Wh. About a decade down the road, I still have about 50% battery life left in it at max charge and it still holds its own on an all day outing

zelphirkalt 4y ago
I have an X200 with a 9 cell battery, bought new a while ago, but I think 4h max is what I get, if I lower brightness and only run Emacs or so. How do you manage to run 10h? Does the X220 somehow use less?
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  Probably not a new oem battery? The OEM 9 Cell was really good. Also - definitely need to tune it down with powertop, you can suspend most of the stuff like usb only the fly, also using and ssd over hdd. Though, to be fair, this one had an HDD originally and has an "HDAPS" system. It's a built in gyroscope that will park the head of the disk if it notices the laptop is in free fall. how silly and fantastic that is
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    My x201 got ~6 hours of ontime with a new 6-cell battery, so I can believe a x220 hitting 10 hours on 9-cell.
- pengaru 4y ago
  Penryn->Sandy Bridge is a pretty big leap.

KaiserPro 4y ago

which is great until you see that the proc is basically a 35w monster. (peak 115watts)

wmf 4y ago
35W does not seem monstrous for a 14".
- KaiserPro 4y ago
  Apart from something like an intel macpro with an i9 processor (intel-core-i99980hk) has a TDP of 45 (but ranges from 13 to 75) 35w constant is a big drain.
neogodless 4y ago
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132228/intel-core-i712700h-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132228/... 45W - yes, minimum 35W but 45W much more likely in default settings. But yes I would worry about cooling in a 14" form factor with an Intel "45W" CPU that supports a peak of 115W.

daneel_w 4y ago

Do 10 hours of battery life "while surfing the web with Wi-Fi" really strike anyone as a strong argument these days? I'm a bit uncertain. I got 9 hours of the same out of my 2017 MacBook Air's measly battery when it was new 5 years ago. I know for a fact I don't need 14 CPU cores to get my browsing habits satisified. This laptop is trying to be a "premium business workstation" by packing a CPU that's crazy powerful for laptop standards, but with only 10 hours of battery life "while surfing the web with Wi-Fi" - due to said workstation CPU choice - it's not gonna last even 3 hours doing the workstation type of stuff they're trying to market it for. What a gadget...

smoldesu 4y ago
FWIW, 10 hours of battery life with a discrete GPU enabled is fairly unprecedented. Even the 16" Macbooks that shipped with discrete GPUs would struggle to sustain the CPU and GPU for 5 hours of parallel use.
- daneel_w 4y ago
  Why would anyone, these days, need a discrete GPU for surfing the web? This detail, too, just like the CPU, falls short on the fact that making actual use of its power cuts battery time down to nothing. They should just market it for what it really is: a workstation laptop with 3 hours of battery life.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    They also offer a version of this laptop without the discrete GPU if you need better battery life. There are still workloads that require local discrete GPU hardware though.
    - system2 4y ago
      Offer this offer that, we are not seeing any technology improvement here. Only marketing words.
- eropple 4y ago

zamalek 4y ago

> Configure your InfinityBook Pro 14 optionally with the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti and turn your lightweight business laptop into an ultra-portable gaming console! Why are so many Linux laptops NVIDIA? It know that we have the OS kernel + blob userspace option now, but it's still early days. My desktop is AMD, my laptop is NVIDIA, and the difference is night-and-day. I would honestly have an IGPU in a laptop over NVIDIA, but even that option seems few and far between (this specific laptop being an exception).

NavinF 4y ago
because they still don't officially support CUDA on consumer cards, only on the overpriced data center cards
Gordonjcp 4y ago
Because NVidia works in Linux. Intel isn't really accelerated, and AMD is buggy and doesn't do GPU compute acceleration terribly well.
- nikisweeting 4y ago
  Also all the AI/ML/CUDA tooling is written for NVidia, AMD driver support is terrible.
  - _carbyau_ 4y ago
    This alone means my 2023 computer build will have an nVidia GPU. I know next to nothing about ML. But even I can follow basic instructions to get Stable Diffusion or Spleeter or something to play with. Installation, configuration and speed to get ML stuff to play with is easy for nVidia users. Sucks for AMD. Source: current AMD GPU user who dislikes nGreedia but sees no other real option.
- olq 4y ago
  This is completely false. Modern Nvidia cards on linux can barely get pixels on the screen and does not have power saving modes.

neogodless 4y ago

Why in the world if you care about battery life do you put a 12th gen Intel H-series CPU in your laptop, and not a 5th or 6th gen AMD CPU? My Lenovo gaming laptop gets 5-6 hours with a 4th gen AMD H-series on a 60Wh battery.

jnk345u8dfg9hjk 4y ago
Can you elaborate why these architectures give better battery life?
- neogodless 4y ago
  I don't think I know enough to give a great answer. The obvious is TSMC's "7nm" and iterative 6nm enables greater efficiency over "Intel 7." Beyond that, presumably there's some IPC advantage that means more work can be done with the same clocks and power draw. It's odd, because 12th gen is quite performant and seems efficient, and yet somehow the battery life isn't very good.
  - formerly_proven 4y ago
    Intel's 1240P and AMD's 6600U perform more or less the same at the same power.
- FunnyLookinHat 4y ago
  I'm not sure about the AMD option, but I can speak to the Intel trade-offs. H-Series CPUs are designed to be the "laptop workhorse" at a TDP of about 47W - whereas most laptops built for battery life nowadays use U-Series CPUs with a TDP of 15-17W depending on the generation.

dark-star 4y ago

For Dell Latitude laptops you can get 120Wh batteries (3rd party), and they also run Linux just fine. Also they're well-built and have good keyboards.

schaefer 4y ago
I believe there are regulations that say a 100 Wh battery is the Max you can take on an airplane(in the US). That’s what’s setting the glass ceiling here to 99Wh.

justonemore3 4y ago

How can they claim 16h of work - I own an Asus m16 with the same CPU and a 90Wh battery and after some tweaking my Ubuntu drains 9.xWh without touching anything ... With Firefox open it already consumes 12wH - so I guess I can be happy if I can get 6h of work done with one load and this laptop here can't do much better...

jnk345u8dfg9hjk 4y ago
Yeah I think all these Linux laptops are overmarketing it

FpUser 4y ago

Looks like very decent hardware for a very decent price. Congratulations. I would actually buy one but it is in Europe ;(

intrasight 4y ago

I don't call anything a "workstation" unless it supports ECC.

dethos 4y ago

I work on a laptop from the previous generation (Infinity Book Pro 14 Gen6) and I'm very happy with it. At first I had some doubts, but it ended up being a great "Linux" laptop.

1letterunixname 4y ago

So? The T480 has a 24 Wh internal battery and a 72 Wh removable battery. I have 4 of the 72 Wh and an external charger. 55 hours of runtime. What's the big deal?

cooperadymas 4y ago
My X201 has no battery and a charge cord. Infinite runtime. It's easy if you change the parameters.
- 1letterunixname 4y ago
  Your "laptop" in disrepair is a desktop. You can't hot-swap that Linux laptop's batteries. 24 Wh built-in with unlimited hot-swap 72 Wh batteries, pretty much 96 Wh + 72Wh * N. Got anything constructive to add?

ratherbefuddled 4y ago

I had a very poor experience buying from tuxedo and wouldn't recommend it. They shipped in a manner that triggered import duty (because they bundled all four into one shipment). Returning a defective laptop was impossible. Tongfangs tend to be quite a bit better than Clevo also.

nikisweeting 4y ago

The specs look great on the surface except for this: 1.0 Megapixel webcam! In this age of video calling that's hardly acceptable, it's an unfortunately huge downside to what seems like an otherwise great device.

flakiness 4y ago

I work for a smartphone and found that tuning for the battery is hard, labor intensive work. And you also need awareness from the app developer whose apps do use the battery. Plus you need a lot of users to justify these efforts to be get paid. It's not technical superiority but more about the economy of scale. I bet Linux is much more energy efficient in datacenters than Windows because of this reason.

stainablesteel 4y ago
you work for a smartphone?
- system2 4y ago
  you never work for a smartphone?!
- flakiness 4y ago
  I guess I meant I worked for a smartphone development.
- brewdad 4y ago
  It's the great philosophical question of our time. Do our smartphones work for us or do we work for our smartphones?

einpoklum 4y ago

So, I can spend 16 hours in the torture of typing on a crap keyboard. Great :-( Seriously, why don't laptop makers understand that a "workstation" needs a decent non-chicklet keyboard?

Toutouxc 4y ago
Because it doesn’t and there are millions of people happily using MacBooks for typing-heavy jobs.
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prima-facie 4y ago

There's also the Starlabs Starfighter which is somewhat similar: https://starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter https://starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter

Klonoar 4y ago
Starlabs is the only alternative manufacturer that actually seems to make their own chassis, which in my opinion makes it the only thing comparable to a MacBook. No Clevo shell will come close.

quyleanh 4y ago

I love the idea of fully customizing the hardware of my laptop. I think there are many user out there want to do it as well.

Lev1a 4y ago

Huh, bought a paper magazine [1] on a whim today for the first time in IDK how long [2] and thought upon seeing this post's domain "that sounds familiar". The backside of this magazine is a full-page ad for this exact laptop. [1]: " c't Make: Sonderheft Elektro-Technik " https://www.heise.de/select/make/2022/7 https://www.heise.de/select/make/2022/7 [2]: Seriously, 12,90€ for one edition is IMHO too much to just buy every single one without all the content being something I'm really interested in.

ersoft 4y ago

I'm using a Slimbook executive 14 for about 1 month. It's the same chassis as the Tuxedo as far as I know. I bought it especially for running linux on bare metal (docker, kvm, linux tools). Coming from Macbook I'm pretty happy with it. I got used very fast with KDE (I used it on desktop computer in the recent years from time to time). Touchpad it's great, keyboard is the same as on Macbook. Battery lasts about 5h now when programming (some Node.JS, compiling some Rust or Go services). I had a 2016 Macbook Pro 15 with I7 and 16gbRAM, now it compiles a Rust service I'm working on in 1 minute compared to 6 minutes on the old laptop. The laptop specs I'm having is the same as the Tuxedo and the same chassis: i7-12700H, 16gb Ram(updated it to 40gb myself), 512gb NvMe, 99wh Battery.

subinsebastien 4y ago

nigerianbrince 4y ago

How long can it maintain 100% cpu load?

system2 4y ago
If the cpu is 45w, likely 1 hour or so because there are other components. I would expect even less than that.

nine_k 4y ago

Does this thing have a glossy screen? If so, sad :( Glue-on anti-glare films exist, but they are finicky to apply.

_odey 4y ago

These laptops have a severe flaw that nobody seems to be speaking about. The speakers point DOWNWARDS! They're supposed to be pointing upwards, towards where your ears are supposed to be. The downwards pointing speakers are a good fit for 2 in 1 laptops, that transform into tablets, as the most common usage of those is to fold them over, therefore pointing the speakers towards yourself. But not LAPtops. These either sit on a desk, directing the sound towards plywood, or if you use them in bed, or on top of a blanket (when not working and using it as a personal device), sound getting muffled by the fabric. I've tested ones of the tuxedo laptops we bough a while back that has the same flaw. The sound muffling is not that big, but it is noticeable, compared to my HP laptop with speakers next to the screen above the keyboard. And of course, compared to a macbook, it sounds horrible. Bad speaker placement and bad speaker quality. I guess it's OK for work purposes but if you want to use it as a personal device that you want to enjoy during your past time, you, just like me, will get frustrated.

culopatin 4y ago
Same flaw all the Thinkpads have had for centuries now. Garbage speakers are the norm for laptops. The first time I heard one of the newer MacBooks speakers while I had a Thinkpad was eye opening. Work gives me an elite book and while it’s much better than most, it’s still bad. The whole case resonates and adds noise and it runs some shitty software that uses 30% cpu to make it sound decent. Disabling that software brings it back to average laptop levels.
- GrayShade 4y ago
  I had an older HP laptop where disabling their sound DSP (by Beats) also set the equalizer to min bass / max treble so you would say "wow, this Beats thing is so great".

thro1 4y ago

And such basic stupid mistake: the corner keys are easiest to hit and power key is not the most often key used (by me at least) - I expect INS and DEL at that place.. (power key can't be reprogramed).