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A US citizen documenting aircraft seen from publicly accessible land onto an internet forum isn’t really espionage. The article didn’t mention that he was collu

A US citizen documenting aircraft seen from publicly accessible land onto an internet forum isn’t really espionage. The article didn’t mention that he was colluding with foreign government officials and most importantly he was never charged with a crime. Thanks to civil forfeiture, he’ll likely never get his stuff back from the Government MAFIA’s attempt to terrorize him into silence.

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indymike 4y ago
> Thanks to civil forfeiture, he’ll likely never get his stuff back from the Government MAFIA’s attempt to terrorize him into silence. Maybe, but I suspect the Streisand effect will be strong here, and there will be some enterprising lawyer willing to enhance the brand.
risyachka 4y ago
I mean, there are super simple rules to follow. Like don't take pictures of restricted objects. Just follow them and you are golden. If a person doesn't understand the importance of secret military bases and that all us power and influence in the world (and dollar purchase power) is like 70% resulted form their military, then I don't even know what to say.
- cycomanic 4y ago
  > I mean, there are super simple rules to follow. Like don't take pictures of restricted objects. Just follow them and you are golden. Show me where that rule is written. Typically the rules on state level are called laws and are published, so it should be easy for you to point out the law that forbids you to take pictures of "restricted objects" (how would you even know they are, do they have signs?) when they are in public places. Note I am assuming here that he followed the restrictions around where to fly drones considering he urges others to do so: https://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/drones.html https://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/drones.html > If a person doesn't understand the importance of secret military bases and that all us power and influence in the world (and dollar purchase power) is like 70% resulted form their military, then I don't even know what to say. Ah yes the US military bullies other countries so we can be rich so let's not criticise it, when it does unjust/illegal things. I don't consider that a very ethical argument.
  - nradov 4y ago
    The rule is written here. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/795# https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/795# You might argue that it is a bad law, or potentially even unconstitutional, but for now it is the law.
- RetpolineDrama 4y ago
  >I mean, there are super simple rules to follow. Like don't take pictures of restricted objects. How about this for a "super simple rule", the gov can keep secret whatever they pay for. As long as they're taking taxpayer $$$ *we own it*, and have all the rights to utilize that technology for our collective benefit.
  - tofuahdude 4y ago
    The fact that it is classified literally is to the collective benefit! Silly proposal for a rule.
    - RetpolineDrama 4y ago
      The collective harm of say, the navy's classified work in to compact fusion, being locked away is far greater than the collective benefit. US black programs are full of advanced tech that could unlock all sorts of improvements in people's daily lives, tech we paid for.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Agreed, I should be able to take a US Navy ballistic missile submarine for a cruise. How dare they keep me out, I helped pay for those subs! (Is my example any less stupid than the assertion that anybody be allowed to walk into the testing facility for new military planes?)
    - AshleyGrant 4y ago
      Yes, your example is more stupid. Because OP never asserted that "anybody be allowed to walk into the testing facility for new military planes." It is beyond stupid, and an absolute affront to the First Amendment, that it is against the law for a US Citizen to even draw a picture of something they can see with their own eyes, while standing or flying outside of a restricted area. If the military doesn't want people to see stuff, then don't leave it outside where it is visible.
    - RetpolineDrama 4y ago
- notch656a 4y ago
  Punishing people for taking photographs from property/space available to the public is 100% security theater. If joe blow can do it from public property with his $20k camera then USSR or whatever boogeyman already has it 10x better. That said maybe if you're going to poke the dragon pick your battles. There are a lot better 1A issues to focus on, but I guess you do you Area 51 man.

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indymike 4y ago

> Thanks to civil forfeiture, he’ll likely never get his stuff back from the Government MAFIA’s attempt to terrorize him into silence. Maybe, but I suspect the Streisand effect will be strong here, and there will be some enterprising lawyer willing to enhance the brand.

risyachka 4y ago

I mean, there are super simple rules to follow. Like don't take pictures of restricted objects. Just follow them and you are golden. If a person doesn't understand the importance of secret military bases and that all us power and influence in the world (and dollar purchase power) is like 70% resulted form their military, then I don't even know what to say.

cycomanic 4y ago
> I mean, there are super simple rules to follow. Like don't take pictures of restricted objects. Just follow them and you are golden. Show me where that rule is written. Typically the rules on state level are called laws and are published, so it should be easy for you to point out the law that forbids you to take pictures of "restricted objects" (how would you even know they are, do they have signs?) when they are in public places. Note I am assuming here that he followed the restrictions around where to fly drones considering he urges others to do so: https://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/drones.html https://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/drones.html > If a person doesn't understand the importance of secret military bases and that all us power and influence in the world (and dollar purchase power) is like 70% resulted form their military, then I don't even know what to say. Ah yes the US military bullies other countries so we can be rich so let's not criticise it, when it does unjust/illegal things. I don't consider that a very ethical argument.
- nradov 4y ago
  The rule is written here. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/795# https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/795# You might argue that it is a bad law, or potentially even unconstitutional, but for now it is the law.
RetpolineDrama 4y ago
>I mean, there are super simple rules to follow. Like don't take pictures of restricted objects. How about this for a "super simple rule", the gov can keep secret whatever they pay for. As long as they're taking taxpayer $$$ *we own it*, and have all the rights to utilize that technology for our collective benefit.
- tofuahdude 4y ago
  The fact that it is classified literally is to the collective benefit! Silly proposal for a rule.
  - RetpolineDrama 4y ago
    The collective harm of say, the navy's classified work in to compact fusion, being locked away is far greater than the collective benefit. US black programs are full of advanced tech that could unlock all sorts of improvements in people's daily lives, tech we paid for.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Agreed, I should be able to take a US Navy ballistic missile submarine for a cruise. How dare they keep me out, I helped pay for those subs! (Is my example any less stupid than the assertion that anybody be allowed to walk into the testing facility for new military planes?)
  - AshleyGrant 4y ago
    Yes, your example is more stupid. Because OP never asserted that "anybody be allowed to walk into the testing facility for new military planes." It is beyond stupid, and an absolute affront to the First Amendment, that it is against the law for a US Citizen to even draw a picture of something they can see with their own eyes, while standing or flying outside of a restricted area. If the military doesn't want people to see stuff, then don't leave it outside where it is visible.
  - RetpolineDrama 4y ago
notch656a 4y ago
Punishing people for taking photographs from property/space available to the public is 100% security theater. If joe blow can do it from public property with his $20k camera then USSR or whatever boogeyman already has it 10x better. That said maybe if you're going to poke the dragon pick your battles. There are a lot better 1A issues to focus on, but I guess you do you Area 51 man.