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Gonna be a contrarian here but, well, so what? This is a bug. Upstream (vanilla GNOME) fixed it. It hasn't been patched to downstream (Ubuntu GNOME). Exposure

Gonna be a contrarian here but, well, so what? This is a bug. Upstream (vanilla GNOME) fixed it. It hasn't been patched to downstream (Ubuntu GNOME). Exposure to bugs can be reduced by choosing well maintained software projects, but they are sadly the norm past a certain level of complexity for many desktop environments. I could point to analogously silly bugs in my favourite DE (KDE), or even much more minimal projects like Sway and DWM. At this stage, users have 4 choices (wow!): 1. Just wait for Ubuntu to port the patch (easiest) 2. Install vanilla gnome on Ubuntu (or use another distrowith vanilla gnome) 3. Install KDE or Sway or whatever you want on Ubuntu and learn that (or, again, use a different distro that has a new DE) 4. Become The Cool Terminal Dude (the custom keyboard layout community would like to talk to you about the word of the holy lord, staggered column layouts) Personally I like option 2 and 3 because then I get to shill all the nice alternatives out there like Fedora and Gentoo, but you do you.

tokai 4y ago
You forgot option 5. Write rants about everything GNOME being bad. If you are high level you might even sneak in some systemd hate. It's important not to do anything constructive though. What would be the point of that?
prewett 4y ago
The so what depends on your perspective. If you think of Linux as a hobbyist's operating system, and you get to join the party and tinker around, well, sure, this is just people's spare-time project, sure it's going to have bugs. I've come to the conclusion that this is the most correct view (as in, matches what the reality _is_). But don't complain about the year of Linux on the Desktop never arriving, because this kind of bug is not acceptable for a production operating system. In every commercial app I've been a part of developing, a crash is a showstopper bug--we don't ship until it is fixed. In a settings app, it's even worse, because now you've got to research how to do all this stuff on the command line. But my experience is that there is always some major bug like this with the GUI. Obviously the command line is the real interface and the GUI is just to paint the pig. Why is it never the Year of Linux on the Desktop? Because (among other things) the real interface is the command line. Ok, fine, just don't ship hobby-grade system software and expect to be taken seriously, just man up and say "the developers of this OS don't have time to write a real GUI, so it is command-line only, expect a high learning curve."
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  > But don't complain about the year of Linux on the Desktop never arriving, because this kind of bug is not acceptable for a production operating system. Are we pretending Windows doesn't exist? In my experience, Windows has been awfully buggy and sometimes downright unusable. When I used KDE Neon for the first time, the first thought that came to my mind was: "How can a trillion dollar corporation not make this good of a software?" because even after being a Windows fanboy for decades, the bugs on the Windows side compared to FOSS made me realize the reality.
  - plaguepilled 4y ago
    Thanks for posting that. I would have replied with this if you hadn't. 'Oh but Linux is so much buggier than commercial stuff' yeah, no. If you honestly believe that linux or BSD is that buggy then go use commercial software. but in my experience, commercial software is the one I cannot rely on.
neurostimulant 4y ago
> It hasn't been patched to downstream (Ubuntu GNOME). Who know how long until the fix landed on ubuntu stable. I recently submitted a minor patch to a gnome library and it took almost 4 months after being merged to land on Manjaro.
lamontcg 4y ago
My reaction was a bit shorter: "someone found a bug in some software, must be Thursday..."

tokai 4y ago

You forgot option 5. Write rants about everything GNOME being bad. If you are high level you might even sneak in some systemd hate. It's important not to do anything constructive though. What would be the point of that?

prewett 4y ago

The so what depends on your perspective. If you think of Linux as a hobbyist's operating system, and you get to join the party and tinker around, well, sure, this is just people's spare-time project, sure it's going to have bugs. I've come to the conclusion that this is the most correct view (as in, matches what the reality _is_). But don't complain about the year of Linux on the Desktop never arriving, because this kind of bug is not acceptable for a production operating system. In every commercial app I've been a part of developing, a crash is a showstopper bug--we don't ship until it is fixed. In a settings app, it's even worse, because now you've got to research how to do all this stuff on the command line. But my experience is that there is always some major bug like this with the GUI. Obviously the command line is the real interface and the GUI is just to paint the pig. Why is it never the Year of Linux on the Desktop? Because (among other things) the real interface is the command line. Ok, fine, just don't ship hobby-grade system software and expect to be taken seriously, just man up and say "the developers of this OS don't have time to write a real GUI, so it is command-line only, expect a high learning curve."

NayamAmarshe 4y ago
> But don't complain about the year of Linux on the Desktop never arriving, because this kind of bug is not acceptable for a production operating system. Are we pretending Windows doesn't exist? In my experience, Windows has been awfully buggy and sometimes downright unusable. When I used KDE Neon for the first time, the first thought that came to my mind was: "How can a trillion dollar corporation not make this good of a software?" because even after being a Windows fanboy for decades, the bugs on the Windows side compared to FOSS made me realize the reality.
- plaguepilled 4y ago
  Thanks for posting that. I would have replied with this if you hadn't. 'Oh but Linux is so much buggier than commercial stuff' yeah, no. If you honestly believe that linux or BSD is that buggy then go use commercial software. but in my experience, commercial software is the one I cannot rely on.

neurostimulant 4y ago

> It hasn't been patched to downstream (Ubuntu GNOME). Who know how long until the fix landed on ubuntu stable. I recently submitted a minor patch to a gnome library and it took almost 4 months after being merged to land on Manjaro.

lamontcg 4y ago

My reaction was a bit shorter: "someone found a bug in some software, must be Thursday..."